Get ready for a groovy show with Max Casa!
Max is an expert on float therapy—you may have seen or heard about sensory deprivation tanks, and centers devoted to this practice have been popping up all over the world, as it has become incredibly popular in recent years. I did my first float five year ago and I have been feeling inspired to go back regularly, as I can attest that there really is no other experience, therapeutic or otherwise, like this on the planet—most notably because you are suspended in an extremely saline solution—many times more saline than the Dead Sea! This means you can lay in water that is only a foot high and still be completely floating.
Float therapy is the only time in your life, other than when you are in the womb, when you are not subjected to the powerful force of gravity, and with the lights off and the sound quiet, you are depriving your senses for the first time. This is such a unique and powerful practice, and quieting your mind and disconnecting your mind from your body and the pressure of gravity delivers comprehensive benefits you can experience for quite some time after exiting your session. Max will detail all these benefits in this show, and one of the big benefits you can get out of this practice is the ability to absorb the extremely important mineral magnesium transdermally (through the skin). This is because when you are getting this heavy salt solution (typically made with Epsom salt at most float centers, but Max uses a custom blend that he calls ‘magnesium salt’), you are getting a nice dose of magnesium in a very efficient way as it absorbs immediately into your bloodstream. I’ve talked a lot about magnesium supplementation lately as I’ve seen a huge change personally with the addition of BiOptimizer’s Magnesium Breakthrough supplement, and it’s becoming more and more apparent that we really need to focus on magnesium supplements, because our diets just do a pretty poor job of meeting our needs—Max quotes research that says 95% of Westerners are deficient in magnesium, which has all kinds of important effects on cellular function and metabolism in the body, so a float center is a great way to up your magnesium game. We’re going to talk about floatation, magnesium, and this really interesting life change Max and his partner and their small child embarked upon recently when they left the metropolis of Boston and flew to Hawaii to live on a self-sustaining farm. This is such a cool and inspiring story to hear about young people just going for it in life—uprooting themselves and looking for that never-ending journey of personal growth. Enjoy some fun insights with Max Casa!
There is no other therapeutic treatment like float therapy. [01:00]
Max got into Float Therapy because of fighting his own physical ailments successfully. [05:54]
These float tanks are filled with about 10 to 14inches of saline water for the body to get in. There is nothing comparable to putting your mind and body into that situation. [10:23]
One of the largest stressors to our nervous system is gravitational stress. [15:36]
What happens to the brain when it’s allowed to let go of that intense connection to the skeleton and the muscles? [16:34]
After a floatation session, how long does the sensory feeling last? [20:58]
Dose the person fall asleep in the chamber? Meditation? [24:20]
There are four different brain states involved in this therapy. [26:45]
Magnesium is very important for our health. Over 95% of Westerners are magnesium deficient. [30:28]
Float Therapy has become very popular around the world. There are many benefits. [36:59]
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Hey, listeners, get ready for a groovy show with a young man by the name of Max Casa. He is an expert on float therapy. You know, those sensory deprivation tanks you might have heard about or seen, centers are popping up all over the world. It’s become incredibly popular in recent years. I am an experienced enthusiast, Uh, Sacramento has a wonderful facility called Capital Floats, and I did my first float, oh, about five years ago. And I’m definitely inspired to go back more regularly after doing quite a few sessions over the years. But, uh, more sporadically and now learning about the comprehensive benefits as described beautifully by Max, you are gonna get pumped up. And I can attest from my own personal experience that there really is no other therapeutic treatment like it. There’s really no other experience like it on planet Earth, as Max says, Most notably because you are suspended in an extremely saline solution, many times more saline than the Dead Sea.
Uh, therefore you can lay in just a foot of water and be completely floating. And this would represent the first time ever in your life since you came out the womb, that you are not, not subjected to the powerful force of gravity. And with the lights off and the sound quiet, you are also depriving your senses for the first time in your entire life experience. So it really is unique, it’s powerful, quieting the mind and disconnecting the mind from the body and the pressure of gravity, uh, delivers these comprehensive benefits that you experience for quite some time after, uh, exiting your session. And Max is gonna detail all of this. And one of the big benefits is the ability to absorb the extremely important mineral magnesium transdermally through the skin. Because when you’re getting this heavy salt solution typically made with Epson salts at float centers, Max uses a custom blend, uh, that he calls magnesium salt.
You’re getting a nice dose of magnesium in a very efficient way to absorb it immediately into your bloodstream. And you’ve heard me talk so much about magnesium supplementation, the wonderful product that I promote mag breakthrough.com/brad from by Optimizers Magnesium Breakthrough. It’s becoming more and more apparent that we really have to focus on magnesium supplementation because the diet just does a poor job of meeting our needs. Max quotes a research that 95% of, uh, westerners are deficient in magnesium and has all kinds of important effects on cellular function and metabolism in the body. So, uh, the Float Center is a great place to up your magnesium game. So we’re gonna talk about magnesium, we’re gonna talk about flotation, and also this interesting life change that Max and his partner and their small child embarked upon recently when they left the metropolis of Boston and flew as far away as you can get and still live in America. That’s right. They moved to Hawaii. They live on a self-sustaining farm out there. And it’s just kind of a cool, uh, story, an inspiring story to hear about young people going forward in life and, and, uh, uprooting and, uh, looking for that, uh, that never ending journey of personal growth. So, some fun insights from Max Casa. Let’s listen. Max Casa Aloha coming to you from Hawaii. We got all kinds of fun things to talk about, man.
Aloha, my brother. Pleasure to be here.
Yes,. So, um, you’re into a very, some very interesting lifestyle attributes like the self-sustaining farm, like the float center, and we’re gonna talk all about that, and that might be a fun place to start, cuz you told me that you, uh, you took off from Massachusetts. That’s quite a quite a move that’s about as far away as you can move and still be in America from Massachusetts to Hawaii. So, um, tell me how you ended up there and the about the, uh, uh, the situation there in Oahu.
Totally, man. Yeah, it was corner to corner Massachusetts all the way to Oahu, but, uh, yeah, dude, it’s been a total game changer. So I moved down with my partner Camila, and then our six year old daughter. And it’s been such a blessing in so many different ways. Like I said, when we had chatted earlier off, we’re on a self-sustaining farm out here. So I got everything from the tropical plants to the coconut trees and the dragon fruit and the cotton and the chicken coops and the aquaponic set up. So, uh, a lot to learn and a lot to dive into, but it’s been been such a blessing, man. So much fun.
Yeah. So you moved from Massachusetts to this self sustaining farm. You’re, you’re a resident of the farm. And what does that look like? Are you guys in a, like a co-op setting where you, you do the work and then you share the food? Or how does that work?
<laugh>? Yeah, so we’re in a apartment on the back of the farm and they have a bunch of like, work for stay options here on the farm, which is super cool. But, um, where people actually work in exchange for like 20 hours a week day. Yeah, for us right now, since we’re in the process of growing our business and growing our family, um, we’re on the apartment and we kinda just go out there maybe a couple hours a day and help out and connect the land on a deeper level and reap the benefits of all the, the fresh food and fruits. So you get get all the perks there, man. But yeah, we’re, we’re in apartment here and living it up.
So is is most of your diet or a lot of it coming from the farm and then you have to head to the grocery store to supplement it or something?
Yeah, dude, that’s the best part of it. Just knowing that everything I’m getting is super clean, super fresh, I mean, no pest sides, all organic straight from the farm, obviously we got the, uh, or the volcanic mineral rich soil down here too. So just resting assured that all the plants that we’re consuming are shockful of all these minerals that are so incredibly important.
And so what was it like in Massachusetts? What, what was your lifestyle like, and what prompted you to make this big move?
Dude, so I was doing a lot back, back home, Massachusetts where I’d lived for the first 20 years of my life. But, yeah, so really I guess we could start is as, so I was born with a, a neuromuscular disease called Charcot-Marie-Tooth disease, CMT for short. And my parents got me involved in the martial arts at a super young age, so I’m a lifelong martial artist. And they were hoping to get me involved in the martial arts to help things, my muscle strength and my balance and coordination and all that fun stuff. Um, so thankfully it was the martial arts and then thankfully I stuck with it because become such a huge part of my life these past 24 years now. Um, and yeah, man, just really as I got older and started teaching, competing in the martial arts more, I was just constantly looking for ways to optimize my mind and body, much like yourself.
So I exploited everything from more expensive western world technologies to Amazonian brew and shamonic practices, to Eastern philosophies and just about everything in between. But one day, man, I ended up stumbling after, uh, a brutal training session down at the dojo into the float center in town. And at the time, it was the only float center in Olive, New England. We’re going back about eight years back now, and I remember Brad, I came out of that tank and I was literally buzzing with this sensation of relaxation and just overall inner peace that I had never experienced before my entire life, never mind in the middle of fight training camp, which is one of the most stressful things going on in my life at the time. So ultimately I ended up just floating more and more, more and diving into the research of how this is actually helping so many people in the clinical studies and then ended up becoming so inspired that ended up starting up my own company, Max Vitality, where we now manufacture and customize and install float therapy chambers all over the globe.
Oh, so you have a center there in Oahu, but you’re also surfacing other locations, like getting ’em all set up?
Yeah, primarily. So the, the float tanks and route to Oahu, and then, we’ll, we’ll have our little center down here, but primarily customizing and installing float therapy chambers and supplying them to, um, athletes to accelerate the recovery at home or wellness centers to implement and kinda add more value to their clients there. So it’s been, been quite the journey, man.
Wow. So someone manufactures these and then you’re over on site to make sure it’s set up properly and that that’s your service that Max Vitality.
Yep, that’s, it’s the main one we got going on. And, um, I’m sure we’ll dive into some of the other ones too, uh, later on in the episode, including like our mineral rich bath blend that, um, we ended up filling all of our float tanks with and kind of merging away from Epson salts, which all the other float centers used to fill the float tanks with. And really just diving down the rabbit hole of how we could optimize not just the float tank itself by doing things like EMF shielding it or attaching these powerful underwater sound transducers, they’ll transmit the frequencies directly into the saltwater solution itself. But above all of that, optimizing the float solution that all these clients are actually basking in for that hour long float session.
Right? So you need an incredibly, saline environment so that the body will float. My experience is going in into, uh, 14 inches of water or whatever. And, um, amazingly you float with, with no effort because it’s however many times more saline than the Dead Sea, which is, you know, the, the biggest comparison. So tell me how that works and what kind of solution you have to prepare.
Totally. Yeah. So I guess, for your listeners at home that may not be super familiar with what floating is, that can break that down quickly if you’d like. But ultimately floating involves get so floating or sensory deprivation is a powerful healing tool that’s totally taken the west coast in Europe by storm these past 10 to 20 years. But ultimately, floating involves getting in a big egg shaped hot tub type tank, oftentimes with a lid over the top, usually built the size of a small car. But inside this float tank is the most unique healing environment on the face of planet Earth that I’ve ever come across. Because inside this tank, there’s 10 inches of water anywhere from 10 to 14, like you mentioned, But these 12 inches of water, roughly are super saturated with over a thousand pounds of magnesium salts, most commonly Epson salts and the benefits.
Magnesium and Epson salts have been well known and well documented for hundreds, even thousands of years at this point. But really what this creates is an extremely buoyant salt water solution so buoyant that we could literally take a bowling ball and put it in the water and it would easily float to the top like a cork. So as you pointed out, it’s just totally effortless floating on the user’s part, but it’s not just the a thousand pounds of Epson salt that makes us such an incredible environment because inside that tank itself, the tank is actually totally void of all external sensory inputs altogether, meaning that in a properly calibrated flotation environment, not even a single photon of light is entering the user’s experience at all. On top of that, there’s no sound because not only is the tank itself sound resistant, but the user’s also wearing ear plugs.
There’s no movement, there’s no speech, there’s no smell in, there’s no taste inside this tank, and there’s not even a sensation of touch, which is by far the most difficult sense to null out because the salt water solution and the air is precisely heated and kept at a constant 94.5 degrees Fahrenheit. And what’s so magical at 94 5 is it’s actually the exact same temperature as the external layer of your skin or your epidermis. So usually within like 15 or 30 minutes of, of entering a float tank, user’s brain totally loses sensation of where their body ends and where the water begins. And this can lead to profound meditative, spiritual, oftentimes life changing experiences. But yeah, so ultimately floating is easy, is getting inside the tank, laying back and, and floating.
Wow. Very well described. And I can attest that sensation of, uh, not being affected by gravity. And that’s really the only time, you know, we think we, we lay into bed and we’re resting our, our bones and our body, but of course we’re still pressing into the bed and, and highly affected by gravity. And, um, the hospital patients get bed sores so they can attest to that too. And so, um, same with, uh, you know, hanging upside down from a swing or some of these other therapeutic devices. You can’t get away from gravity unless you go to, uh, uh, the moon on a, on a spaceship or in this, uh, in this flotation experience. Of course, when you’re in water and you’re floating, uh, that’s, that’s comfortable, but then you have to tread water and move your limbs and and so forth. So it definitely is a unique experience. And there, you’re right, there’s, there’s nothing like it. Um, there’s nothing comparable to putting your, your mind and your body, uh, into that situation.
Totally. Yeah, I agree. Like you said, even when you’re comparing it to a, a bed or mattress at the end of the night for that zero gravity environment aspect. So really the way I like to break it down is, is three main pillars of benefits where we’re talking about float therapy, right? So one of them, like you touched on, is all the benefits that we’re getting from the zero gravity environment. So it’s totally unlike laying on a bed or mattress at the end of the night where there’s thousands of springs and pain points cutting off your micro circulation right now, when you enter a true zero gravity environment, like what’s found in the float tank, your blood vasculature can totally relax and your capillaries can totally vaso-dilate. And what we see as a result is a huge surge and increase in blood flow and oxygen flow and micro circulation to every part of the body, which is incredibly healing for thousands of ailments.
Um, but yeah, that zero gravity pieces is, is definitely super important for high performing individuals for sure. Cause a lot of people don’t recognize that one of the largest stressors to our nervous system is gravitational stress. And the fact that every single second of the day, since the time we’re born, until the time we hit the grave, our body and our spinal cord and our muscular skeletal system is working so extremely diligently to even just right now, me and you talking, stopped my head from just drooping to the side <laugh> and my body to fall the ground like a stack of potatoes. So it’s an incredible stress, all this tension that my, um, my, my vascular system and my musculoskeletal system is holding inside at all times. So we can give ourselves the opportunity to disconnect from all of that gravitational stress. It’s immensely beneficial to the whole system.
So what happens to the brain when it’s allowed to let go of that intense connection to the skeleton and the muscles?
A lot of long chain reaction of beautifulness <laugh>. Uh, so what we see is a, again, inside that chamber are, is really the first time that our brain is not being inundated with over 10 million bits of sensory over stimulation every single second of the day, right? So in, in a normal every day life, our brains being stimulated and inundated with overstimulation from our screens, from the audios, the stereos, all this stuff going on. Even just this, the clothes resting on my skin and all these defense mechanisms going on subconsciously. And our subconscious minds only capable processing between 30 and 50, of these bits of, of information per second. So 10 million is quite the stressor to have to process here, but we enter the sensory deprivation. What we see is our brainwaves begin to switch and transition significantly, um, from beta everyday waking brainwaves to alpha to deep delta in even theta brain waves within just 15 to 20 minutes of entering sensory deprivation, which is incredibly beautiful.
And on top of this, a lot of people recognize, like if you go in the basement or a dungeon at night, uh, hopefully safely, but if you do at night and in a dark room your eyes and you take away one of your senses, your vision, right? Um, the rest of your sense is heightened as a result. What a lot of people don’t recognize is that when you take away all of your senses, they all heighten an incredible amount as much as 25% per sense. Um, so this can be leveraged incredibly, but really the main piece, that sensor deprivation aspect is when all of our energy and our consciousness isn’t being drawn out to processing the external world, we can call that energy back to us and call that consciousness back to us. And now our brain just has so much more brain power to do whatever it really truly has to do.
You’re talking about when you exit the session, you experience a heightened function of all the senses.
Because when you’re inside, the senses are turned off. So you’re, you’re saying like we get a little bit of a reset effect from the break?
Totally. And in fact, what we’ll see is if you could measure it inside the tank itself, what you see is when there’s no external senses coming into your RAS system of your brain, which is kinda like the sensitivity knob on all of your senses, your brain will just keep turning up the sensitivity knob. until it can find some sort of external stimulation. And the thing is, your brain can work infinitely inside the float tank, and it can turn that sensitivity knob up as much as it possibly can, but it infinitely won’t be able to find any external sensations. So we come outta that tank, that hyper awareness is still activated, um, and as a result, we come outta the tank, maybe colors pop 25% more or driving in the car, and, and music is 25% more enjoyable, The breeze of my luscious hair and the wind, uh, just, just feels better as a result and much more present and mindful, um, to be able to experience these senses more, more fully as a result.
Right. You’re not coming out and totally wired and alert and talking fast and jumping around. It’s more just the, uh, the, I I feel like you come out in a relaxed state, but when you, when you touch the apple and run your finger around that, that’s kind of what you’re describing is, um, sort of an, an acuity rather than, you know, an intensity. Mm-hmm.
<affirmative>. Totally. Yeah. It’s, uh, I feel, for me, it really just helps me drop into this, this almost internal baseline inside me of just peace and stillness and relaxation. And as a result of that presentness, that increase in presentness that we feel when we exit the chamber, our senses are also, um, much more tuned in and dialed in as well, which is a beautiful thing.
Now, do you feel like it lasts for a certain duration and then you feel like it’s time to get back in the float center? Or where does this thing fit into, uh, your lifestyle as a, as a behavior pattern? And I know, um, people have, uh, budget concerns and all that, they can’t go every single day, time concerns or whatever, but, um, have you discovered a rhythm and can make some recommendations to, uh, you know, a a casual enthusiast?
Totally, yeah. I mean, for me it’s, I try to float as often as I possibly can. Before I made the move to Hawaii, I had the float tank in my, my pad. So its a lot easier to float on a daily basis. But now, even if I get down every other day, that’s, uh, that’s, that’s what we’re shooting for in the schedule now. But from a home, it’s really just about what you’re looking to get out of the fluid experience. If you’re looking to maybe recover from a concussion or more traumatic injury, like a broken ankle or something like that, maybe floating, I always recommend just floating as many times you possibly can within the first week or two to zap that inflammation, accelerate that healing. But if someone’s goal is more related to maybe reducing levels of stress or anxiety, or even just sleeping better at the end of the night, we know that the short term, anti-anxiety and stress reduction effects of a single one hour float session lasts anywhere from 24 to 36 hours after a single float session. So using that data anywhere from a couple times a week to a couple times a month can be extremely effective there.
Wow, that’s interesting. So with the traumatic brain injury and the protocols to treat concussions being a pretty important aspect of healing and of interest to the contact sport athletes and anyone who’s, who’s had an injury, um, you’re saying there’s, there’s a research that these therapeutic treatments can have a anti-inflammatory or a nourishing effect on the brain.
Absolutely, dude. Yeah. And for me, when I’m working with patients, I mean for myself included, as I pointed out a lifelong martial artist, and I’ve experienced my, my fair share of, uh, traumatic and, uh, precon, concussive blows to the brain <laugh>. And for me, whenever I feel anything that maybe even could potentially be preconcusive, um, absolutely that one of the main things in that protocol should be ex uh, experiencing some floats and sensory deprivation. And we go to the medical professionals, oftentimes they’ll, they’ll recommend getting away from the light, getting away from the screen, kinda limiting sounds mm-hmm. <affirmative> and things like that. But limiting that stimulation to the brain that’s gonna light up the brain and activate it and cause the blood flow to go up there. But when we can enter a sensor deprivation and stop all of this, uh, action going on in the brain, what we see is the left or right hemispheres of our brain when we enter the float environment. So our left side of our brain, more logic and the right side, more creativity, the parts that typically work more independently when within 20 to 30 minutes of floating, we see this hyper synchrony between the two hemispheres of the brain, um, which, which is responsible for these heightened states of consciousness and awareness that so many people talk so highly of. Um, but yeah, there, there is a, a large healing effect there, especially on the brain. Its levels of inflammation when we get to sensory deprivation for sure.
How would you describe your state during the session? Um, do you fall asleep? Do you, thoughts wander? Are you trying to engage in meditation or what happens there and what’s the range of, um, experiences people report?
So <laugh> really, it just, it just goes back to what their intention is for that flute session, what they’re looking to get out of it. Cause there’s so much going on there. I mean, obviously the silent, dark aspect of it is one medicine, which is very powerful and very strong. It’s been leveraged in indigenous tribes for thousands of years. But it, there’s this emerging world in the float industry between passive floats, which would be simply entering the float tank and surrendering to the silent darkness and active floats on the other hand, which is this emerging field where you’re actually kinda leveraging that state of heightened awareness, um, to maybe do things like listen to the powerful frequencies and zap those in. So maybe people are listening to now when they answer the tank powerful frequencies or guided meditations or breathwork tracks, or even one that resonates with me is my partner’s.
a high level hypnotist. Is hypnosis when done and sensory deprivation has been shown to be where five times more effective than one done outside of century deprivation, which is a beautiful thing as well. But even the Navy Seals have been leveraging the float environment regularly as an accelerated learning environment, which is interesting. Um, so they’re in there and they’ve reported that they’re able to speed learn languages in just a fraction of the time. They’ve cut down their learning time from the average of six months to an average of just six weeks of being able to learn an entire language when done in sensory deprivation, which is incredible. So,
So what are they sailing out, um, vocabulary words while this, the subject is in there? Or how, how are they training them with sensory deprivation to learn a language?
Yeah, just like that. It’s, it’s kinda like hooked on phonic style except via the underwater sound tree induces on the side of the tank. So it’s a, it’s a, a powerful way cuz it can just speak directly to your, your subconscious mind.
Yeah, my, my experience was they offered me the choice of silence or listening to certain music, which was, you know, beats and things like that. It wasn’t like top 40. Um, and I think I’ve had both and, uh, yeah, it’s, it, it’s pretty wild. One thing I wanted to ask you about, which was a really consistent happening with my float sessions and I’m talking, you know, eight or or or 10 is my, my reference point is that every single time, um, you know, I I I lay in there and I became really relaxed and all that, but I never once fell asleep, not even for a second. And I’m a professional napper, listeners know I can, I can crash out and, and take naps frequently. So I’m not one of those people that, you know, it’s a huge part of my life. And I was really surprised each time, uh, because I expected, hey, in this completely sensory deprived, relaxing environment, maybe I’ll just nod off and then the buzzer will ring and I, I can’t believe it’s been an hour, but, um, maybe you could answer the question while talking us through those four different brain states and what was possibly going on where I’m just locked into a state of, um, an an awakened but relaxed state.
Absolutely, man. Yeah, that’s, um, one of, I’m glad you’ve been able to float so much and you got some great experiences. Yeah man, it’s, it’s, it’s wild cuz some people will go in there and they’ll knock out pretty quick. Um, but other people, it just comes down. It’s like you’re talking about those brain waves. So when we’re in there, we’re transitioning from beta, they’re waking brain state. When we, we enter the float tank typically to alpha that where most people start to transition within 15 to 20 minutes being in the tank is either to theta or deep delta. And, and, um, really just the, the switch, the knob in between these two will determine whether they’re falling asleep or not. So for someone like yourself that wasn’t totally drifting off to sleep, it was likely that you were in a, a deep theta brainwave there.
which is incredibly beneficial for meditation. And like we said, just, um, rest and rejuvenation as well. You may not be getting, um, those benefits to the deeper stages of deep sleep as, as you’re familiar with. But yeah, so it, it’s, it’s funny man, whether you fall asleep or not, you’re still soaking up the same benefits of floating, like we talked about the zero gravity environment, like the sensory reduc, uh, the sensory deprived environment. And then thirdly, which we didn’t even touch on yet, is the fact that during the entirety of your float session, you’re actually soaking up magnesium transdermally through your skin during the entirety of every single float session, which is profound. But man, the magnesium aspect’s definitely been something that’s captured my heart these past many years as well. Cause that’s, um, a great way to soak up magnesium.
Yeah. We know how tremendously important that mineral is and how commonly, uh, deficiencies occur because of the food supply and our historical sources are, have been diminished with depleted soil and, um, processed foods diet and so forth. And, um, I’m big on the magnesium supplements, people hearing me talk about bio optimizers and, uh, get these capsules. Uh, but it’s also extremely, uh, effective to absorb it through the skin. That’s why you see the magnesium liquid sprays as well as the oral supplements. But, uh, tell me about that transdermal absorption, how effective it is and maybe whatever else you know about magnesium, why it’s so important.
Definitely. Yeah, I mean, you hit a bunch of the nails on the head there, but people that don’t know magnesium is the fourth most abundant mineral in the human body. And over 95% of westerners are extremely magnesium deficient. So if we’re not getting it from something, as you talked about, our, our soils are totally depleted. A magnesium even here on the self sustaining farm. I’m relying on the minerals of the soil to do many things, but to rely on it to give me my daily dose of magnesium is a fallacy. It’s nearly impossible to get nearly enough through our diet alone nowadays. And that’s why oral supplementation’s a great tool. It’s just that many of the studies done in oral supplementation are taking nine to 12 months to impact our red blood cell markers, right? Um, so I also take bio optimizers.
It’s, it’s a great tool, but it, it, we have to recognize just that delay there. Um, so to where transdermal comes into play, like when I talk with Dr. Cola, he’s crystal clear. He wasn’t able to really start moving the dial on his red blood cell magnesium levels, which is the most accurate way to measure our magnesium levels to date until he started introducing transdermal forms. And for him, that’s via the float tank at his house. But when we bypass the GI track and we soak up the magnesium ions directly through our skin, and in particular now we’ve literally captured in a laboratory, Brad.56er5 Magnesium ions being absorbed transdermally through the hair follicles of our skin directly into the bloodstream where it’s being absorbed and can be utilized immediately. We don’t have to wait nine to 12 months to start moving the dial on these things. We can start doing it right away with topical forms, which is an incredible thing to leverage.
So 95% of people deficient in magnesium is a big number and uh, the symptoms are a little cloudy, right? It’s not like your teeth are falling out. And so it’s one of these, um, these markers where you probably don’t realize it if, if 95% encompasses you, I don’t know about the 5%. Those are the people that are all over the supplement regimen or whatever. It’s floating twice a week. But what are some of the other, uh, kind of mild symptoms of magnesium deficiency that uh, people might notice some benefits when they turn things around?
Totally. I mean, everything from, your levels of stress, cuz magnesium is burned or utilized rapidly at a rapid rate to combat stresses of all kinds, right? So whether it’s stressors coming in from our diet or our lifestyle or EMFs or pollutants of all varieties, magnesiums taking the hit there, it gets burned super rapidly. Which is another reason that so many people are magnesium deficient. Cuz even if we’re taking enough, it’s getting burned so rapidly to combat these stressors. So our ability to create these biochemicals that will balance out that physiological state of stress, um, is upregulated. When our magnesium levels are topped off, we’ll see a huge increase in levels of state anxiety, uh, huge decrease rather in levels of state anxiety when our magnesium levels are topped off. But really this, where it gets interesting then, cuz a big part of my protocol and our protocol at Max Vitality is the minerals being the backbone of not just our hormonal health, not just our enzymes and our enzymatic function.
Because magnesium alone is responsible for over 3,751 enzymes in the body, right? And then that, that sounds like a large number, but a lot of people don’t recognize we only have 9,000 enzymes that run the body. These enzymes are incredibly important. So that means magnesium literally crucial for 42% of our electrical body. It’s totally run off magnesium. So for magnesium deficient, there’s no way we could possibly feel or perform at our best. And especially a lot of your listeners, they’re high performing athletes like yourself. Um, magnesium is, I mean, exercise is great for so many things, but it’s also we’re burning through magnesium as we’re working out, as we’re exercising, as we’re recovering, making sure we stands off,
Especially as we’re stressed, we deplete these minerals, electrolytes, everything just gets ramped up. And so that’s when we run into trouble when we’re out of balance anyway. And then it gets worse and worse. So when we are, uh, getting it transdermally through the, typically you said Epson salts, which are, I believe high in magnesium, but you have something that, that, uh, does that one better?
Yeah, man, so like I said, the past eight years of my life, every time I’ve floated, I’ve been soaking at a thousand pounds of Epson salts, which is profound. An Epson salt is magnesium sulfate. So the benefits of the magnesium and the sulfates, which are great as well for, it’s another macro mineral, one of the seven. Um, but what I learned as I was diving into the rabbit hole of magnesium is that Epson salts are great, really the, the main act of ingredient there being the magnesium and the ups and salts. But Epson salts have a sneaky cousin called magnesium chloride. And magnesium chloride has over 230% more magnesium by volume than Epson salts, which is profound. On top of this, you’re also soaking up the chloride, which is another macro mineral there as well that made people it efficient. And, um, yeah, so even just making that switch and we ended up starting to fill our float tanks with magnesium chide versus magnesium sulfate. And what we were seeing, even anecdotally from seasoned experience floaters, was that their levels of stress and anxiety were dropping big time. They were sleeping way deeper and falling asleep faster throughout the night. So this is a profound switch. So anyone at home, if you’re soaking an Epson salts maybe post run or post high jump or anything like that, <laugh>, even just making that switch to magnesium chloride, it would be really, really beneficial. Not just for your mineral levels, but for systemic overall health.
Man, you’re, uh, you’re getting everybody excited, convinced they gotta do this. Tell me about the industry and how it’s proliferated with float centers or, uh, the individual home installation I imagine is a pretty, a pretty big ticket item and you’re talking about some, um, visiting some, some heavy hitters there. The athletes or, whomever is going to try to throw one in their house.
Totally. Yeah, man, it’s, it’s been so fun to see the, the industry totally explode. Like I said, these past 20 years been so exciting for the whole industry. But like I said, so now what Max Vitality offers, one of the things we offer is we offer, um, pre-made egg-shaped pods and totally open style float pools, which are incredible too. Um, yeah. What, what kind of tank did you float in? Do you ever, do you, do you recall, was it more of a Yeah,
This was a really a unique center because it was built out, it was built out with actual chambers that more resembled like a, a walk-in shower. And so there was no pods. And I think what they were trying to appeal to were people that were feeling hesitant about the claustrophobic aspect of climbing into a little chamber, a little coffin or what you said, a small car. And so this was like a full size shower door that you stepped in. And then the, uh, the, the floor was filled with a foot of water, but it was quite large. Like, you know, I could almost extend my arms over my head and extend my arms straight out to my side and move my legs around, which is a little different than the more confined space. And it was, it was quite pleasant. And of course, more appealing to someone who feels intimidated by getting locked into a pod
<laugh>. Yeah, I believe you. I believe you. Yeah, man, The first hike I’d ever floated was like, it was literally shaped like a coffin. It was so tight and so small. And I realized pretty early on if I wanted my mother or my grandmother to actually step foot in one of these things, we’d have to make some serious edits to the aesthetic nature of these tanks. But that tank you floated and sounds great. Usually those are called a more float cabins, which are really, really cool where it’s kinda like that whole room around you. What we offer is we have the fully enclosed float pods, which are great for residential use, especially cause you don’t have to worry about like, um, salt water splashing everywhere on the walls and on the floor and all that. It, it holds it inside that, that chamber right there.
And we also have fully open float pools, which is where a lot of the industry’s transitioning towards, especially commercial centers. So anyone that’s listened to this and like, Hey, I could never get in one of these things. I’m highly anxious or I’m co claustrophobic, or whatever it is. The open float pools are really cool option cuz like you said, there’s a much lower barrier to entry to getting in one of these things. It literally looks like a hot tub or a small pool about the size of a car with no cover, no lid on it at all. It would just be installed in a room that is sensory deprived, right? So there’d be no windows in the room. Um, the room itself would be calibrated to 90 degrees Fahrenheit. Usually there’s a, he a heating panel above, but it’s totally open. It’s like a 12 by 12 room and you’re just floating there. Uh,
Well that sounds like more logistics than just getting a pod installed. I mean you are actually doing like a separate structure like a, a, a garden shed that’s gonna be dark and contain the, the, um, the open float apparatus?
So we’ve seen a lot in sheds. I mean, typically those are more commercial centers though, where they have like a 12 by 12 room, they’re looking to put a healing device in and the float pool just kind of plugs in play on the, uh, you plug it into an outlet, set it up in the quarter, we install the heating panel above. And as long as the, the room itself is, is tile or has some waterproof paint. It’s pretty ready to rock. Usually install a shower in the corner too. So when someone goes into a float center, what, what they can expect is going into a float center walking into this room and it’s totally your own private room regardless of what tanks in there, right? So you lock the door behind you and usually there’s a, a shower there where you can rinse off, get all the body oils and fragrances, deodorants off you, and then you hop in the tank and you lay down and float and come out feeling like a million bucks.
Yeah, the temperature thing was really interesting because even if you’re laying in 94 degree water, um, you’re gonna get cold after a certain time. I mean, I might take, uh, a badass two hours, but some people, just because water is so, um, so dense, um, you’re gonna lose, you’re gonna lose heat. But when that room is heated to the same temperature, uh, boy and like you described at the outset, you’re just completely, you’re free in a, in a different way than you could ever imagine before.
Totally. And like, like we say, it’s, it’s really hard to, it was difficult for me to grasp ahead of time before I had experienced it, how significant de stressors of sensory over stimulation and just all the, the gravitational stress that was being put in my system for the first 20 years of my life were until I was really able to disconnect from that and, and float like a feather for an hour and come out and, and be bombarded right away by all these screens and overstimulation right away. So yeah, like I said, I feel it’s, it’s really helpful, really beneficial. Obviously there’s so many links for increased athletic performance and accelerated athletic recovery as well. Um,
Yeah, I never really thought about that Max. We were just going, uh, for folly for like a luxury spa experience I guess. But, um, it offers way more than, um, the average person might, uh, might think. And uh, one of my other memories of this place, Capital Floats in S. acramento is they, they have a, um, kind of a, uh, I guess like the, the, the recovery room or this, this sitting area where you can wait and relax. And it was so interesting to interact with strangers there and see the behaviors of everyone. Cuz everyone was super chill and friendly. And even me who, you know, I, I run pretty hotwired all the time. Like, Hey, how’s it going? How was your session? You know, like everything was toned down five notches cuz everyone was just super chill and they had like, uh, uh, whiteboards on the wall where people could write if they were so inspired.
And of course it was filled with all these cool sayings and uh, you know, it might have been a positive affirmation that someone put up there or, uh, a strange poem or humor and it was just like self-expression coming out and everybody had been through the same experience with just relaxing there. And no one was in a hurry to go, which I usually am like, Hey, where are we going next? You know, what’s, what’s next on the agenda? Let’s go get something to eat. It was, it was kind of a, a really cool experience and naive inspired me to, to get going more frequently and keep it as, uh, a part of a part of life that, you know, you can consider it a luxury or an indulgence, but boy, yeah, tho those benefits, especially for when you mentioned the, the, the brain injury recovery and just the recovery from, from physical exercise stress as well as just that mental emotional wellbeing, it’s pretty big.
Absolutely, dude. But like we said, there’s so many aspects to accelerate athletic performance that we could dive into. But again, the fact you’re soaking up magnesium, which is crucial for your body’s development of things like atp, where 68 steps to the crub cycle to make ATP or energy are, are heavily magnesium dependent. So if you’re at a fish and magnesium, your body isn’t able to make the copious amounts of atp it requires to perform at your best athletically. On top of this, again, we talked about our, our capillary’s vaso dilating and the oxygen flow and blood flow. And while at the same time your heart rate drops by over 10 to 15 points within just the first 15 minutes venting the tank, your blood pressure drops over 10 to 15 points than just 10 to 15 minutes venting the tank. Um, while again, your cortisol levels are, are totally stabilizing and balancing out, which is great if you’re looking to prep for maybe a big game or if you’re looking to relax after a big game and return to some sort of, uh, baseline for your parasympathetic system. So, so many benefits all around men, but, uh, one thing I was gonna point out was I, we had dove into the magnesium chide a little bit and how we started filling our tanks with that. But many people at home that are listening to this, maybe they even take magnesium orally already, which is great. Um, but we can drop a few simple tips here that they can use at home to accelerate how much magnesiums not just absorb by their body, but utilize as well if you down to dive into it.
Yeah. So I know, I know you’d mentioned bi optimizers, are they, uh, I’m not sure, are they a sponsor for this podcast?
Yeah, yeah. And those guys are great. I had the founder Wade Lightheart on the show and, um, very devoted and disciplined to presenting the finest quality product. And in the supplement game, as we all know, there’s not a lot of regulation, so you got a lot of hype and you got a lot of inferior products. Oftentimes they’re tied into where you purchase them. So if you’re getting a giant bottle of whatever, uh, at Costco, uh, no offense to the big box store, love it from many other things, but, uh, you can kind of tell when you’re getting these bargain bargain pricing for a supplement that you might want to go upscale and look for something that’s super high quality without all the additives, fillers, binders, other agents in there.
Totally. Yeah. And one thing I, I really like that, uh, Wade, his team did with bio optimizers is magnesium has three known co-factors, right? Um, one of them or two of them rather can be absorbed transdermally, right? So if bio optimizers, if you have the newest blend, they actually have vitamin B6, which is an important cofactor for magnesium absorption. So if you, if you’re not using bio optimizing something else, what I use, one of the first things I put in my body in the morning, um, is actually organic whole food, um, or, or Organic B pollen. So oOganic B pollen is one of the best natural sources of whole food vitamin B6 that we have on earth currently. So B pollen in the morning we up our b6 and now our body’s able to more better hold onto the magnesium and absorb more the magnesium that’s put into our system.
But there’s also two cofactors that could be absorbed transdermally that we explored mixing into the float tank solution to optimize that. And they are potassium by carbonite, right? So potassium by Carbonite works, it’s really cool, but helps shuffle more of the magnesium in your system into the cells and into the mitochondria where now can make more of that ATP energy, right? So by, by carbonite mixing that into the float tank. And then there’s a second cofactor called boron. Boron I’m sure you’re familiar with, but boron works is essential for magnesium’s absorption or helps our body actually hold onto the magnesium longer, which is really great. It does this by slowing the metabolism of calcium, um, and working on the other mineral balancing as well. So we ended up actually exploring using the purest magnesium chloride in our float solution with these powerful co-factors like potassium by carbonate, like boron, like other enzymes that ultimately neutralize any chlorine or fluoride in the solution itself.
And then what we realized pretty early on is naturally not everyone is in the position currently where they can install a float chamber in their living room <laugh> or in their apartment or something like that. And that’s totally cool. For many people they, they’d be able to benefit from either hitting a local float center or even just taking the lessons we’re learning from the silent dark medicines and just implementing more of that into your life, maybe more time away from the screens, more time in meditation, connecting with yourself. But for the people at home that don’t even have access to a float tank nearby, um, they can still soak up a lot of the benefits of the float tank solution itself. We took that power blend of, again, the purest magnesium chloride with its cofactors like potassium and boron to get more magnesium into the cells and other, other cofactors to keep it in there longer, along with different enzymes that totally neutralize any chemicals in the, the tap water you may be using to fill your bathtub with at home like chlorine or fluoride.
And now what we did is we actually bagged that up and now for an affordable price, we sell that out and people at home can either put that in their bathtub at home or what a lot of people have been using is actually in a foot soak. And oh, for me is a a a martial artist, my feet take a beating man, I’m constantly up on my feet. Um, I do a lot of running as well, so my feet totally take a beating there. But the cool thing about foot soaks is the largest pores in our body are on the bottom of our feet. And the top of this, there’s every nerve ending and ending to every major organ in the body in the bottom of your feet as well to why there’s such an integral part of Chinese medicine philosophies as well. But even just taking your feet at night and soaking them in a little bowl of foot soak with two tablespoons of vitality salts, um, which we sell on our site, is a great way to get an extremely concentrated solution directly into the, the largest pores in your bottom of your feet where it could be absorbed and utilized by your body right away.
So we can really start moving the dial on our red blood cell magnesium levels from the comfort of our home just with, uh, a couple foot, so a week
Vitality salts. I love it. Bringing the salts, bringing the float center to you. Now the maintenance must be quite extensive when you’re talking about a home unit where you have to change out the water and redo the solution frequently. How do people deal with that?
Yeah, one of the main strides we’ve, we’ve made is by taking the maintenance that was, uh, required for so many float tanks, just cutting that all down. So the good thing now is since we’re putting so much energy into our filtration system, which is combination of ozone, of ultraviolet purification, of micron filters, and then the chemical disinfectant, which we, we don’t recommend like chlorine or bromine or anything like that, but, um, just food grade hydrogen peroxide, which we supply with our fluid chambers as well, with that combination of this filtration equipment that that same exact saltwater solution you use for that initial fill can last anywhere from three to four years because the, it, the tank just hooks up to a simple app on your phone, just a smart life app. So with the press of a button after a client exits the tank, that filtration system kicks on and starts circulating every single molecule that saltwater solution through that whole rigamarole we just talked about. So after 15 minutes of that running, every single molecule of that saltwater solution’s already been totally thoroughly cleaned over a dozen times. So that saltwater solution’s literally as clean, as new by the time the next person gets in there.
Love it. Awesome. So as we, as we, as we close out here, it’s such an amazing, um, life change that you’ve done and I’d love to hear some further reflections where you have this little kid, you have your partner, you’re sitting there in a major city of Boston, and what prompted you to to jump, uh, jump onto the airplane and, and cross, uh, cross the continent and cross the ocean as well and get into that, uh, unique situation of, uh, living on the self sustainable farm?
So I, I had come down to visit with one of my friends, um, whose girlfriend at the time was living on this exact farm, about a year prior and at the time, yeah. And at the time, I, I, it was kind of a, a fantasy of mine, a vision one day <laugh>, I would love to be able to return to Oahu, Hawaii, where the beaches were so beautiful. Um, and, and that farm in particular. And so ultimately I ended up talking over with my partner and the young one who is about to be enrolled in kindergarten to make the move. And we did man. And really at the root of all of it, we felt that we were kind of hitting a, not to say hitting a ceiling, but kind of hitting a ceiling, um, with certain aspects of our spiritual development back in the city that we want to expand on by surrounding ourselves, uh, in a community like this that’s, that’s highly spiritual.
We’re at the same time that itch in that craving to connect deeper with the land, um, as a whole. And that was something that was a little bit more difficult to do in Boston as well. So eventually we talked it over the young one was game, uh, she gave me the thumbs up, we pulled trigger and, and and shot it dude. And fortunately a lot of the business is virtual and so we can do our thing from here, but at the meantime, and just learning as much as possible on the farm while immersing ourselves in that community aspect to be able to connect with all these great friends that we all call family and, uh, soak up the sun and the magnesium and the oceans, and it’s a win, win win, man. We’ve been loving it,
Incredible. It seems like this is getting to be more common where I know, extended family members and children of my friends where uh, they’re going and and doing things that are, um, sustainable, uh, living out in, uh, in the country and uh, just kind of choosing out of this long time cultural programming that the young person is supposed to go, uh, get a linear education at an institution, uh, the higher rated the better, and then jump right into the jog market. And guess what? If you work hard for 42 years, you two can retire and maybe go to the beach in Hawaii some. So, um, looks like you’re short circuiting that. And um, setting an example for a lot of people that might be harboring similar dreams and fantasy, he says, you called it,
I appreciate you, man. Yeah, dude, it’s, uh, like we say, uh, why wait? Times now. And there’s so many variables in the, the world today that, uh, I I’m not sure if I would be, if I had it on my list to go to Hawaii in five years. I’m not sure. Cuz there’s no definite, I I may be able to, you know, so yeah, that’s right. Um, doing it now and uh, I’m, I’m really glad we did men. I, I don’t regret it at all. And I feel the amount of growth we’ve had, not just in me and my partner, but also our young one as well has been, been like fivefold in these past six months then if we were living back in Boston. Wow. So it’s been so many new adventures and experiences and it’s been so great, man. It’s next time you’re out in Oahu, we got a year for you, man.
Oh my goodness. How about that people, and I’m a frequent visitor. I love the islands and I do feel like there’s some magic there about the culture and the appreciation of nature, which is uh, unrivaled. And it, it really, it really is feeling special when you just interact with locals or even, even tourists, people that appreciate it. We’ve had some great hikes. We’ve explored numerous islands in the past year, especially since my sister recently moved there and love that place. And, um, we’ll be, we’ll be back again and again for extended periods, hopefully.
Yeah, man. Is this
About Boston though? Gimme an excuse to go to Boston people. Uh, it’s not the same. Okay. So
There you go. Yeah. No, not many years in Boston, but, uh, serious is incredible. Yesterday, there’s a spot on the west side of Oahu was, it was the second time I’d been, but, uh, first time we were successful with swimming off the coast with dude, probably 50 to a hundred dolphins and Oh wow. Sea turtles. And dude, I, at this point we’re swimming. There’s this pod of dolphins, like a bunch of baby dolphins, like, like, uh, like a foot long. They were swimming right by, and for one of them, they could really see how conscious and aware they really are. Um, cause like we had like a direct eye contact me, one of the dolphins, it’s probably like five feet away. Yeah. Um, and you could tell you started swimming over and like, looking at me and like, came away from the pod a little bit and like, we really connected for like those, those few seconds. And I put my hand out and he swam up to my hand and just looked at me and like, uh, kind of felt me a little bit. Um, and then ended up swimming away. But it was really, really in intimate experience and connection there, like connecting with them in nature, in in, in their element. It was incredible. Dude. So often I’ll, I’ll send you the spot and maybe next time we’re down we’ll catch some dolphins.
Yeah. We took an organized excursion on a boat and you go snorkeling and the, the captain looks around for areas that he thinks the dolphins are gonna inhabit, and you sit around there and there’s nothing happening for a while. And then all of a sudden, um, you know, people are screaming and, and here they come. And the captain explained that, um, these, these creatures actually like to show off for humans and you can expect them to jump in the air and do twirls and things, uh, when we get some good group energy in the water looking at them. And it was such an amazing thing because the dolphins were performing for us. And then after, you know, a good long stretch, they, they swam away and went about their busy day in the ocean. But yeah, it was a real, a real connection and incredible nature experience.
Yeah, man, that sounds incredible. Dude, I didn’t realize, one thing I didn’t recognize when I was under the water or swimming out, the dolphins could have been like a half mile away, but snorkeling under the water, you could hear them so incredibly loud. It’s like that, it sounded like I’d heard anything like it except maybe like a bat. Like if a bat was like right in your ear screaming, but the dolphins were like a half mile away, so it was really intense. Uh, but really beautiful. Like you could feel the healing of these, these sonar vibrations. It was, it was incredible. Dude,
Max Casa, what a show man. How do we follow you and maybe get a bag of that, uh, magic mineral mix for taking a bath or a foot bath?
Totally. Yeah. So anyone listening, you can, I’m sure we’ll attach the link, but it’s www.maxvitality.co. So. dot co. We got all of our float chambers on there. Again, our fully enclosed pod, our fully open float pool. Then we got our beautiful, vitality salt magnesium blend for people at home that are looking to soak up the benefits of transdermal magnesium. That’s definitely the way to do it is again, it’s, it’s got all the cofactors in there, It’s got the purest magnesium chloride and again, it’s soak it up right through the largest poison of your feet, uh, the comfort of your own home. So feel free to reach out both that. Um, and then on top of that, you can just follow my journey at @Max Casa, m a x x c a s a on Instagram. Um, and you’ll see all things farm life and business life and all the fun we’re having. High vibes are spreading. But yeah, I’m looking forward to connecting with more of your people and it’s been a pleasure Connec,t Brad. I appreciate you, me on, bro.
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