Get ready for an inspiring, honest, emotional, and heartfelt show with Dr. Al Danenberg. 

Dr. Danenberg has been a periodontist in South Carolina for 44 years, dealing with gum and mouth disease, and appreciating the role of gut health as the centerpiece of healing and wellness. He is also one of the earliest certified Primal Health Coaches, and is considered a poster boy for ancestral living in the older age groups. However, Dr. Al’s health journey has come with some major ordeals that he will detail in this show. 

You’ll learn about the incredible transformation he experienced after switching to a Paleo diet at the age of 66. He explains that this total lifestyle change was actually a much needed and necessary method for healing as he walks us through the reasons that led to this change (having a stroke and later being diagnosed with cancer). He talks about watching weight drop off his body – to the point of 30-something pounds – over the course of two years, and how he was able to finally ditch the seven medications that his physicians had prescribed to him (not to mention claimed he needed to take for the rest of his life!). 

You’ll learn the unbelievable and inspiring story of how Dr. Al went from being diagnosed with cancer to being cancer-free. He explains his decision to say no to chemotherapy (which was insisted on by his doctor) and he clues us in on fascinating facts from many compelling studies that support the idea that a strict animal based diet, with no need for pharmaceutical drugs, is actually the most effective method of resolving chronic and cancerous health issues. Interestingly, he became intrigued by an animal based diet in early 2020 and has been following and advocating that strategy for over a year. Dr. Al does a great job of explaining the link between gut function and overall health (especially periodontal disease) and how eating an animal-based diet can help you heal from gut dysfunction that you may not even be aware of. 

The show ends with Dr. Al commenting on the 10 innovative health tips he himself follows to protect himself and continue to thrive. His bottom line is ultimately to put the most emphasis on having a robust immune system. Here is a great list he has generously shared of his top 10 health tips:

10 Health Tips From Dr. Al Danenberg

  1. Eat a healthy diet: I follow my animal-based diet, which I call the Better Belly Blueprint. It is an organic, gluten-free, nutrient-dense, anti-inflammatory eating plan. I  consume a fat-to-protein ratio measured in grams of approximately 2:1 per meal. I eat when I’m hungry and drink when I’m thirsty. I occasionally eat some plants (no more  than 10% by volume of a plate of food) that are low in phytates, oxalates, and lectins. I  also cycle out of ketosis once a week by eating approximately 100 grams of carbs for  that one day to maintain my Metabolic Flexibility.
  2. Fortify my gut and maintain an intact gut epithelial barrier: I take 2 caps of  MegasporeBiotic (from Microbiome Labs). I also take 2 caps of TerraFlora Deep  Immune, which also stimulates the production of interferons (IFNs) as well as activates downstream immune cells to support my immune system (from Enviromedica). 
  3. Support my bone: I take 6 caps of OsteoVegan (from NuMedica), 2 caps of  Megaquinone K2-7 (from Microbiome Labs), and 5,000 IU of Vitamin D3 (from NatureWise).  
  4. Help repair my mitochondria: I use PEMF (Pulsed Electromagnetic Field) Therapy  using the PureWave PEMF mat first thing in the morning for 30-minutes at setting “Basis – 1”, afternoon session for 30-minutes at setting “Basis – 5”, and at bedtime for  30-minutes at setting “Basis – 1”. 
  5. Assure animal-based nutrients from organs for my cells: I take 5 caps of Desiccated  Organ Complex and 4 caps of Desiccated Bone Marrow (from Enviromedica). 
  6. Control pain: I take 200 mg or 400 mg of ibuprofen rarely and only when necessary.  
  7. Target specific proteins involved in my cancer: I take one human-derived  monoclonal antibody immunotherapy. Darzalex attacks a specific protein on the  surface of malignant plasma cells. Along with Darzalex, I am given premeds (Tylenol,  Benadryl, and Decadron) only the day of the injection to limit any side effects. 
  8. Help prevent colds and flu: I use a Bee Propolis Mouth Spray 4 times a day if I feel any  “scratchiness” in my throat (from Beekeeper’s Naturals).  
  9. Strengthen my body: I do arm and leg stretches daily. Based on the condition of my bones, I do modified push ups and modified squats several days a week. Also, I walk one mile outside every day, weather permitting. 
  10. Reduce stress: I meditate and practice diaphragmatic breathing as well as progressive, total body muscle relaxation. 


Brad’s guest has an amazing story of changing his lifestyle to remedy his health problems. He’d had a stroke and was diagnosed with cancer. [02:16]

Al found a place that totally changed his life: his diet, his weight, his need for medication. [07:36]

Al discovered a pain in his shoulder that turned out to be diagnosed as terminal cancer! [10:32]

The cancer caused many fractures. Al describes how he dealt with that. [18:35]

While he was placed in hospice to die, a hurricane came and amazingly, he began to recover. [21:31]

Al is suspicious that the cancer may have started all the way back in dental school. [26:07]

By rejecting the idea of chemotherapy, Al needed to plan what would be his quality of life and did much research.  [29:40]

Integrative medicine is the answer. Doctors could get in trouble recommending the dietary changes that helped Al. [34:04]

Al’s concept of being more integrated and holistic with the understanding that he wants to have a strong immune system to heal my body as naturally as he can, not curing anything but healing the body is the essence of what he’s trying to do. [36:56]

What are so few people interested in making these lifestyle changes? [38:21]

You are not a believer until it hits you emotionally. [44:11]

In the US population about 94 percent has some dental disease and don’t know it. [46:25]

Gut health is the emerging centerpiece of preventative medicine and health. [52:36]

What tips can Al give the listener who wants to turn their health around? [53:31]

Even though Al is primarily on the carnivore diet, he puts in some carbs about once a week to maintain metabolic flexibility. [59:04]

You need to develop alpha diversity which is the diversity of species of microbes and bacteria. [01:01:    26]

There is mitochondria treatment with pulse electromagnetic field therapy. [01:06:08]

Al is a big fan of animal organ supplements, meditation, breathing, ridding stress    . [01:13:11]

Everybody needs to know there are well-documented options when you are confronted with disease. [01:15:49]



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Brad (2m 16s): Hey, everyone, get ready for a pretty heavy emotional heartfelt and highly informative show from Dr. Al Dannenberg. He is a long time periodontist from South Carolina. He’s one of the earliest primal health coaches and a definite role model. The poster boy in the older age groups for living that ancestral lifestyle. But his journey has not been without some major hiccups and challenges, and you’re going to be regaled by Dr.Al’s story of suffering from first a stroke in his sixties. And then after he turned the corner and made major lifestyle changes to eat paleo and live the healthy lifestyle and be featured as a speaker at paleo FX as the poster boy, then he got a diagnosis of incurable terminal cancer, and you’re going to find out what he did on that life changing day to turn the corner and heal himself naturally. Brad (3m 17s): And if you’ve been intrigued by the carnivore diet prior to this, Oh my goodness. Some of the commentary from Dr. Al is really going to put the pieces together and help you appreciate the amazing scientific rationale and benefits for an animal based diet, where you give your gut a break from all the natural plant toxins that you’ve been ingesting for maybe your entire lifetime and possibly having a negative cumulative effect without you knowing it. Dr. Al is a wealth of knowledge and information, but his story I think, is really going to touch you. And boy, I think we’re all sitting here crossing our fingers, hoping for that day to never come when we’re getting a life or death diagnosis from the doctor, crossing our fingers, hoping we’re okay, but then thinking that when you get cancer, it’s all over, you’re doomed, but there’s such greater possibilities. Brad (4m 12s): And I think here’s a living breathing example of a guy in his mid seventies who has a new lease on life. He’s still practicing dentistry and helping his patients in more ways than one. In some cases, when they’re embracing his holistic point of view and how they can help heal their gum disease from changing their diet and all kinds of crazy ideas like that. So let’s take it away with Dr. Al Dannenberg Al (4m 39s): Dr. Al Danenberg. We reconnect again and we have so many exciting things to talk about. I had to, I had to, I had to stop you, man, cause I’m like, wait a second. We just got connected here on wonderful zoom. And we’re going to, we’re going to jump right into it. You have so many fascinating aspects. We’re going to talk about gut health. We’re going to talk about what happens when you get cancer and how you can beat the thing and turn the corner. So maybe you should take the floor and, and introduce yourself. We go way back with the primal health coach certification. You’re one of the earliest coaches certified and have had a great career in a period periodontistry. Al (5m 19s): periodontalist What, what do you got there? Yeah, so I’m a periodontist. I am a dentist that has specialized in the treatment of gum tissue and bone structure and all the issues that are related to it and the jaw joint. And I was doing it for 44 years. Amazing. I’m an old guy here. I’m 73 years old right now. But I was doing it and stopped practicing actively in 2018. When a few interesting things happened in my life. You want me to tell you ? Brad (5m 58s): What the heck happened to this healthy guy and, and tell us, you know, you got into primal quite a while ago and were checking all the boxes living this wonderfully healthy lifestyle. Al (6m 11s): Well, let me give you an idea of what really happened. So we have to go back a little bit and I’m 59 years old at this time thinking I’m pretty healthy, not knowing what I’m doing. And I have a stroke and my physicians saved my life. Conventional medicine saves my life, puts me on seven medications to take for the rest of my life. That didn’t sit well with me. They didn’t have any idea why I had a stroke. And of course they tell me to eat healthy and live a healthy lifestyle, and I’ll be fine, but I’ll need to take these medicines for the rest of my life. They don’t know how to define a healthy lifestyle or a healthy diet. Al (6m 52s): When I tried to seek that information out, all I can find where the American Cancer Society, the American Heart Association, all those organizations basically were saying the same thing. And you know, it was very similar to a standard American diet, maybe a few exceptions, but basically the standard American diet. And then I was weighing maybe 187 pounds or so, and, and I’m five foot seven. So I’m a little chunky. I fast forward to the age of 66. I’m just doing all this research, figuring out what’s going wrong. And I’m getting a new diet that’s that is endorsed by the American Heart Association, Cancer Society, whatever. Al (7m 34s): And nothing’s happening. I’m still on seven medicines. I’m still weighing 185 or so pounds. And I find a course at the Kripalu Center for Yoga and Health of all places for healthcare professionals. That is a five day in intensive program that I think I’m really going to learn every thing and hone all my skills. And I’m thinking it’s going to confirm everything I’ve been doing, thinking that I was doing the right thing. So I take this course and actually it is an introduction to a primal lifestyle. I never even heard of the, I never even heard of Weston A Price, mind you, even in dental school, they never talk about him. Al (8m 20s): And so I’m learning stuff that is blowing me away. And I come back home and I tell my wife, I’d like to make a change. She and I bumped heads, but we clear everything out of our cupboards refrigerator freezer that is not paleo. And we give seven bag groceries to the food bank. We have no food in the house. We start shopping and we start eating paleo and I’m starting a lifestyle change. And I’m starting to research what this is all about. I actually learn about Mark Sisson and his new approach to primal health through the internet, contact him. Al (9m 9s): When I heard that he was starting a primal health program and absolutely, he said, whenever you get ready to find your customers, I’m the first enrollee. And I did that. But I’m also starting to see changes in my life. Within two years, from 66 to 68, I lose over 30 some pounds. Not because I’m on a diet, I’m just eating healthy. And as you know, hormones balanced, everything goes back to normal. You lose all this fat weight. I’m also incorporated. And I had eliminated all seven medications that my physicians thought I needed for the rest of my life. Al (9m 50s): So within two years I had no medications in my body. So I’m getting healthy and I’m thinking, wow, this is a game changer and a health changer and a healing changer. So I’m starting to incorporate the concepts of a paleo diet and lifestyle in my periodontal therapy with my patients now maybe two to 3% of my patients really get it and want to get on board. But those that got on board had phenomenal healing results and going forward, stayed healthier, not just in their mouth, but overall health. So I’m, I’m just blown away. Al (10m 31s): And I know that this is the way that our human species was supposed to live and thrive. So I start writing about it and I lecture and I clinically obviously seeing patients. I do some consultations, literally international, via Skype at the time. And, and I am now let’s fast forward to April, 2018, going to be speaking at paleo FX. So I’m traveling from Charleston, South Carolina, to Austin, Texas through Atlanta airport. I’m 71 years old thinking, thinking I am the posts in your posts for a healthy lifestyle. Al (11m 17s): I get to an Atlanta airport. And you know, Atlanta is a very large airport. And what I like to do is have enough time between flights connections then I can walk. The Concourse is rather than take the train. And I, I have a bag on my shoulder and I’m walking from Concourse A to Concourse D or whatever. It’s a long walk. But the bag really make my shoulder very sore. And I don’t get the reason why, but I’m thinking I cool to muscle where, you know, a rotator cuff or whatever, get to Austin, Texas, do my seminar and go back to Charleston. But the pain stays in my right shoulder. Then it sorta changes. Its position gets to my scapula in the back of my, on my right side. Al (12m 0s): And then it comes to the front, around my sternum and I’m starting to have some problems actually taking deep breaths. I’m a little peg headed. So it takes a little time for me to figure out I need to see somebody. So by August of 2018, I go to my physician who I’ve seen for many, many years. And he’s the one that, that saw me when I had a stroke. And of course he doesn’t know anything about healthy diet lifestyle, but any, I still see him and I’m telling him, I said, you know, Bobby’s, something’s going wrong. I pulled a muscle, whatever. He looks at me, he says, yeah, you got some pain. I said, yeah, that’s why I’m here. Al (12m 41s): So he said, let’s do some blood tests. That was a series of blood tests and a CRP. All the blood tests come back normal. But the CRP, the C-reactive protein is significantly elevated. Normally when I had this test below 0.5, which is a very healthy good result. Over 5.0, something’s going on in my body inflammation. Don’t know if it’s acute. Don’t know if it’s chronic, that know where it’s coming from, but my body is inflamed. So he orders an MRI from in what may be going on. I’d have the MRI. He calls me the evening that he receives it and he says, do you want to talk? Al (13m 22s): Or do you want to come into the office? I said, yeah, let’s talk over the phone. How bad could it be? So he starts to joke a little bit. And he says, you know, if somebody beat you up, did you fall down some steps? I said, of course not carrying a bag on my shoulder. I tore or whatever, or a ligament. What’s what do you see? So he says, there is a vertebral compression fracture. He sees two or three ribs broken. He sees a [inaudible] in my pelvis and a soft tissue mass, two to three centimeters big along my spinal cord outside of my spinal cord, my spinal column. Al (14m 5s): And he says, I think you have either lymphoma, leukemia or multiple myeloma Three cancers. I am the senior poster boy for a healthy lifestyle. How could it be? I’m devastated. So he actually calls in an oncologist who I’ve not met yet. They do a bunch of other tests. Do a biopsy of the little soft tissue lesion. And I’m in my oncology office at my oncologist office, with my wife and two adult children meeting him for the first time. And he tells him that I have IGA Kappa light chain, multiple myeloma with significant lesions throughout my spine. Al (14m 54s): That’s why bones are breaking. And I have this pain and it’s incurable. And he gives me three to six months. I do nothing. All right. So a ton of bricks is hitting my head. It’s like, I’m in a car and I’m T-bone by an 18 Wheeler. My life flashes in my eyes. Oh, that the life that I do that I had for the previous 71 years was over. It was going to change and it wasn’t a cure. So he tells the first thing we need to do is start chemotherapy tomorrow. Al (15m 39s): And that will help you go into remission. We’ll do some re radiation therapy to help you breathe better because the pain was from the lignin season and the broken ribs. And I had do something because I couldn’t breathe deeply. And I’m saying to him, now you’re telling me this is incurable. Why am I going to do chemotherapy? And it as well, like I said, it’s going to put you in remission. And when you’re in remission, you’re fine. And then unfortunately the disease will come back. And once it comes back to do more chemo, but a type of chemo, a little more caustic, because you’re not working any longer and I’m telling him or asking him. Al (16m 22s): So, so what is going to happen with the quality of my life and quality of life for me was everything. And he said, when you’re in remission, you’re going to feel great. But as things deteriorate, you’re going to have a decrease of quality of life. And I said, well, how, if this is incurable, how am I going to die? What is going to happen? And I’m very geeky. I need all these answers or so he’s telling me most people with multiple myeloma have three causes of death. There you have an infection that we can’t get under control because your immune system is so compromised because this is a disease of the bone marrow. Al (17m 2s): And the also you’ll die from an infection. We can’t treat you’ll have kidney failure or you’ll bleed to death internally because the anemia that is created from multiple myeloma is going to create a significant problem. Three causes of death now. And I’m saying to him, and I’m looking at my wife, my kids, and they were in agreement after we have a quick discussion. And I’m telling him quality of life is everything to me. I feel great except for the pain that I’m having with breathing right now, I am totally rejecting chemotherapy. How could I, in all consciousness, take a chemical that is going to destroy my immune system further than it’s already damaged and compromised. Al (17m 52s): Try to artificially rebuild it. Still knowing everything is incurable. And I’m going to get worse and worse and worse and die. I would want to live a shorter amount of time with a quality of life. So I’m, I rejecting chemotherapy. I do radiation just because I need to breathe better. And I wasn’t a candidate for STEM cell therapy and told him I need to do some investigating of unconventional cancer protocol. Help me. That’s where I left the office. He’s still my oncologist. I see him every month, but that’s where I left the office. Al (18m 32s): So actually, and I will talk about these unconventional cancer protocols with you and everything is based on supporting a robust immune system. I needed to rebuild my immune system to the point that literally better than 95% of the population. So I did what I did. And for the next 12 months, I did really well. And in remission, never had chemo. Worse, never got better, but after the radiation to help me breathe better, everything was perfect. I was doing quite well. So we’ll fast forward to August 19 one year later, I’ve already outlived my prognosis by six to nine months. Al (19m 18s): And I’m standing in my bathroom, brushing and flossing my teeth, and I know how to do that. And so I’m standing in the bathroom. My feet are planted on the floor. My trashcan is directly to my left. So when I finished flossing, I twist, twist to the left. Now I know that I have fragile bones. I’ve had pathological fractures along the way during this 12 months, I know that, and it was never serious. So I twist to the left and my right femur snaps in half. I crashed to the floor, like a couple more ribs and split my right humerus in half. Al (20m 4s): So I’m literally lying on the floor, writhing in pain, screaming for my wife. Who’s in another room. At that moment, I realized how bad things are. I can see my arm and leg that are in positions that you could never been. So I know they’re cracked. And my wife comes in, obviously she’s crying, she’s hysterical. She calls EMS. EMS emergency services to come out and gurneys have a certain length and width to them and they don’t bend. And our hallways are narrow. So the gurney from the hospital, from the emergency services to get into my bathroom is very difficult. Al (20m 53s): So they manipulate and get me off the floor into a gurney, get me to the hospital. So the hospital resets my leg because it’s ready to burst the femoral artery. And I would have bled to death. But I know that I have outlived my diagnosis from this point on, I could not, in my mind, experience a quality of life going forward mile. And as far as I’m concerned, my right side of my body is crushed. So I reject other treatment and I’m placed in a hospice hospital to die. So September the week of September, I’m transferred from the hospital where they fixed my leg to hospice hospital to die. Al (21m 38s): Now here’s some interesting stuff that week. Our hurricane is coming is predicted to come through Charleston, South Carolina, where I live. That hurricane is hurricane Dorian. It’s moving that one mile an hour, but the winds pack 187 mile an hours of winds that is suggested to hit directly at the hospital. The hospital is ordered to evacuate everybody. They don’t know where to send me. My nurse she arranges to get a hospital bed in the house. So I am catheterized. I am heavily drugged on narcotics. I am hospice. Now I’m at home in hospice, ready to die. Al (22m 19s): The hurricane comes through the power, goes out for 16 hours or whatever hospital beds or electrics of the beds. The bed doesn’t move. It’s hot and sticky in the house. It’s over 90 degrees outside. There’s no electricity. There’s I mean, it’s terrible. Life is pretty miserable. And then the power comes back on. My wife then is my strength. And my, my wife literally gives me some tough love. And she said, look, you are a survivor, not a victim for the last 12 months. You did extremely well. While you were on your cancer protocols, you had this problem. Let’s get you back on the cancer protocols. Al (22m 60s): I’ve got a physical therapist and a nurse, and we’ll see what we can do. And she gets a physical therapist who eventually gets me to sit out of bed, even stand up. Eventually the catheter comes out, which is unbelievably terrible. And I start to rally and I revoke hospice, and I’m starting to walk on with a walker. And the following month, October, 2019, I actually can get into a car and go to my oncologist, who is amazed that I’m still alive. Only. I’m how I’m doing what I’m doing. A new type of immunotherapy that was recently approved by the FDA. Al (23m 43s): That is very specific for my plasma cell malignancy. It’s not chemotherapy is specific for the immune system and the plasma cells. I start that and I continue to do well. And by May of 2020, I am walking outside a mile a day. I am doing modified squats and modified pushups at my house. I’m even doing some high intensity interval with doing squat, modified squats very rapidly, so I can get into an anaerobic state. And I’m impressed. I feel great. I’m not in remission. I’m not here at cancer, but I feel great. Al (24m 25s): So my oncologist wants me to get a new PET scan, which is a big x-ray that evaluates cancer cells because they inject radioactive glucose and wherever there are cancer cells, they eat up glucose and it goes on the x-ray machine, a plate. So I have this test May 8th, 2020, and my oncologist calls me at home and he says, make sure your wife is on speakerphone. So he reads the radiology report and it says no active cancer cells, my entire body. And I said, George, read that again, read that again, because I want to make it misinterpret what he said. Al (25m 5s): My wife is crying and excited. I’m floating off the ground. And then I realized that the PET scan doesn’t say everything. It only looks for moderate to advanced cancer cells. It certainly says it. Doesn’t say that I’m in remission and I’m not in remission, but I am in a really good state. And that’s where I am today. And I do everything to support my immune system. Brad (25m 30s): Whew. I don’t even know where to start. There’s so many, there’s so many amazing twists and turns here. But with your brittle bones that caused that horrible accident in the bathroom, seemingly the cancer was hard at work during that time causing all kinds of trouble. And then obviously you healed from those, those severe breaks, but in the meanwhile your body must’ve turned the corner in some way and stopped, you know, the, the attacks. Al (26m 3s): It’s interesting. I don’t know how well it stopped the attacks. I think my immune system started to become more aggressive and proactive. I do believe that this cancer started way, way, way back. And I do believe I can’t prove it, but I believe it started in dental school. And I’ll tell you why. I did again I’m kind of geeky. And I do a lot of research and I was trying to out, why did I have multiple myeloma? And I found a paper that was published in 2010 or something like that, where dentists in my cohort my age group, 65 to 75 were evaluated compared to the general male population in that age group. Al (26m 52s): And those dentists in my age group had a significantly higher prevalence of malignancy, especially multiple myeloma. Wow. That was interesting. The paper didn’t say why it just was kind of a observational paper. So I kind of, I tried what’s different in my life as a dental student? Two things stand out. One was that I am exposed to low dose radiation continuously. Those are dental x-rays. And it’s a fact that low dose chin will cause plasma cells to become malignant. The other thing is that I use mercury filling material as a dentist, learning how to put fillings in teeth all the time. Al (27m 41s): As a matter of fact, dental students, even today. But certainly then we use free mercury elemental, mercury, that beautiful silvery stuff, mix it with a powder mixed up called triturated. And then we squeezed excess mercury out with a squeeze cloth, which was basically cheesecloth and the excess little mercury balls that were expressed. We throw on the floor and they danced around the floor and they disappeared because they evaporated. Who knew dental schools, by the way, in those days, the most toxic facilities in the all, because everybody did it the same way. And so I think the exposure to the free mercury constantly, and the exposure to low dose ionizing radiation, which was always in the clinic, I was walking around all the time, who knew how well I was protected because I didn’t know. Al (28m 36s): Activated one plasma cell in my body to become a ligament and not self kill it, self die by apoptosis. And it became malignant. And once that happened, it could grow and my body didn’t take care of it. And I think 40 plus years ago it started and it didn’t manifest until I was 71 years old. That’s my theory. And I think that it has a lot of credibility because of the study that was published about what I just explained. Brad (29m 11s): Yeah. That’s no joke. I have close family friend who died of Parkinson’s. He was a radiologist. And I think two of his fellow practitioners in the same office also died of Parkinson’s. So the odds of that are astronomical. And obviously something was, you know, these, these old x-ray machines were probably, you know, hopefully they’re, they’re more tight these days, but those toxic work environments, Al (29m 39s): They are, they are. Brad (29m 40s): Yeah. What about the stroke? Do you think that was related to your…. Al (29m 49s): My surgeon explained my lateral assertion explained that the stroke was related to a carotid artery in my left side that had a congenital type of twisting that activate or stimulated the potential for a clot to form. So I think there was a biological reason that congenital reason that may be allowed that to happen, but who knows? I mean, I, I don’t know. It could have been aggravated by going on with dental. Brad (30m 24s): Your cancer diagnosis was a little different, I suppose they don’t say it’s incurable too frequently. Usually the person gets a diagnosis of cancer and they say, we’re going to, we’re going to treat it. We’re going to beat this thing. We’re going to fight it. We’re going to dose you with all these drugs. So your decision to kind of step away from the, the traditional protocol, I suppose, was a little easier. Cause you had nothing to lose in a way. And I’m wondering if you can compare and contrast someone who’s in there with a, you know, the mass is showing and they want to zap it and take chemo. And you know, that decision of whether to go holistic or, or go with the, go with the drugs is a big difference. Al (31m 8s): As I remember It, my oncologist, George, did not immediately say you have an incurable bone marrow cancer. He told me what it was. He told me how to treat it. And I started to ask questions and maybe that brought out the idea that it was incurable because I must have said, and I don’t remember the order, but I must have said, well, how long do patients with this disease live? And then he was very clear when he said, if you do nothing now, he said, if you do nothing, it be three to six months to live because of the condition I was in when I presented to his office. Al (31m 53s): And so to do nothing meant for him, you need to start chemo. If not, there’s nothing else you could do. So therefore it’s incurable. The, the problem I see is that there are always options. It could be incurable. I get that. And I, and I got to tell you, Brad, I was ready to die. I don’t have a problem with death. If I know that the quality of my life leading up to that point would be good. You know what Mark Sisson said all the time, live long and then drop dead or something to that effect. And I didn’t really care the years I had in front of me, although I liked to live long, I really cared about the quality of life. Al (32m 40s): So as soon as I, that my treatment, although it would have burst success, as long as I knew my treatment would decrease the quality of my life going forward. And in the literature, the medical literature, there is no cure for multiple myeloma. Then I knew that the ending stages would be pretty devastating. And I didn’t want to go that route, even if I had 10 more years to live and then really started to hurt deteriorated. I wanted to live good years until it was over. Al (33m 20s): So, so that, that, so that, that is what drove me to, there must be some unconventional protocols. And of course I learned eating a primal lifestyle, living a primal lifestyle of eating a primal diet. My medical all my allopathic physicians never heard of, and couldn’t believe that I would actually get rid of all seven medications that theoretically I needed for the rest of my life. I knew that the medical community wasn’t the source for my holistic type of healing concept. I just didn’t know those concepts yet until I started to research it. Brad (34m 4s): Sure. And I think we hear this compare and contrast so frequently, and I really like to position it correctly where it’s no knock against these hardworking practitioners, but they’re not trained and they’re not, that’s, that’s outside of their scope to even reflect on that. They’re just trained and dispensing the medications and dealing with the disease state. And I think it’s, you know, it’s, it’s on all of us to go out there and obtain information elsewhere rather than thinking that the physician is the end, all for all things, health, wellness prevention and things that they’re not trained on and, and not focused on. Al (34m 49s): You’re absolutely correct. And integrative medicine is the answer. You’ll see my allopathic oncologist every month, he actually agrees with my approach. He even asks me to send him diet tips from other medical journals that I read and download all over the world that are related to the things that I do. He’s impressed. He has not had any multiple myeloma patient that has done what I’ve done with diet. And I’m going interestingly through diet and gut health and actually mitochondrial health. Al (35m 30s): I’m doing all kinds of things in those regards. No patient that has ever done that. And especially without even that is in the state that I am in. So I’m teaching him now. He can’t go out and recommend what I’m doing to another patient or he, his practice would fire him, you know, and he could be sued because it’s not in, in, in with the, the standards of care, conventional care, but he’s pretty impressed with where I am. Brad (36m 1s): Is that so, Oh yeah. He, he, he would be actually getting in trouble for making dietary recommendations? Al (36m 10s): Potentially. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. He could, he could get into a whole lot of trouble, not so much dietary recommendations, but going one step further and saying this type of diet can help heal your cancer. Heal your cancer. He could, you could get in a lot of trouble. He could lose his license. If he started to suggest the things that I do to patients, and then they die be sued because he deviated from the standard course of treatment, conventional course of cancer treatment. Brad (36m 44s): Well, I imagine he could certainly make the straightforward recommendations and then give a handout of foods to eat and foods to avoid and not. Al (36m 56s): Yeah, yeah. As long. Yeah. But, but I go a little further than that. So, you know, I have, I have rejected the conventional route and I am replacing it with an unconventional holistic alternative theory. And you know, the only reason it’s alternative is only because the medical profession hasn’t accepted yet. It doesn’t mean it’s wrong. It is very right. In my opinion, it’s just that it hasn’t been accepted yet because enough human studies have not proven it. If I had to wait for human studies to prove what I’m doing, it would be more than 10 or 20 years from now. And I’d be long dead. So I’m like an, a study of N equals one. Al (37m 37s): I’m experimenting with myself. And it’s working great. And my unconventional cancer protocols, I’ve tweaked all along. So what I do today is not how I started, but the concept of being more integrated and holistic with the understanding that I want to have a strong immune system to heal my body naturally as I can not curing anything but healing my body is the essence of what I’m trying to do. And I, and I think it relates to anybody and everybody today, even in the world of COVID-19, if you can have a healthier immune system, you have the potential to have less of a reaction with any virus that you contract. Brad (38m 21s): Right. And I want to get into your doctor Al’s magic, awesome tips. But before, when we go back to the story, a couple of things really, really caught me. And one of them was when you went to the yoga center and started getting educated about ancestral living and came home and you and your wife did the seven bags of groceries to the, to the food bank. And now you’re relating that you share with your patients and you have like two to 3% of them are interested. So I wonder what was the trigger for you to have this massive grocery bank giveaway? And why are only two to 3% of the average person is just resistant to what seemingly is a very compelling story with. Brad (39m 10s): Obviously you’re a pretty good mouthpiece for it, and you’re in a great position to influence your patients. But I’m asking on behalf of all of us who have so much excitement and enthusiasm, we want to share with our friends and family and you’re, you’re batting, you know, two to 3%. And it just seems to be the state that we’re in now, even with more and more momentum and evidence and success stories and, and science coming through. Al (39m 37s): So of course in the day when I started doing this, it was a number of years ago. So I, I learned about it when I was 66. I got really involved this maybe when I was 68 and I’m 73 now. So those years have gone by lots of information has evolved. And the general public is more educated today than they were then. But don’t forget I was what would be considered a standard and conventional periodontist. I was, I was cutting edge in the treatment. I was using like certain types of lasers to literally treat periodontal disease very effectively, but still in the mindset that there is infection in the mouth that is causing periodontal disease. Al (40m 28s): And most likely the patient isn’t brushing or flossing correctly, which is totally incorrect by the way. And I’m thinking we need to not only teach these patients how to brush and floss better, but we need to treat the disease and kill the bacteria. That’s where I was. That’s not periodontal disease. Periodontal disease. Let me tell you a little bit about period. Well, let me, let me go back. So people are coming to me as a periodontist, looking for a conventional periodontist, treating their convinced infection in the mouth that’s caused by their genetics and their bad bacteria in the mouth. And so I’m going to not correct their genetics. Al (41m 10s): I’m take care and kill all this bacteria in their mouth and treat the manifestations of the disease, which is the destruction of the jaw bone, and maybe even loss of teeth. And we have to replace it correctly. So when they come to me looking at that treatment and I am coming to them from another point of view saying, well, what I’m learning now is not really just to the mouth, it’s related to the diet. And it’s even more critically related to the health of the bacteria in your gut. They kind of stand up and say, what’s you quack. Let me get out of here and get to a real periodontist. Al (41m 52s): And I’ve had patients that did that with me, actually gave the opposite and say to my front desk people, they said, I want to see a real periodontist. I don’t want to talk about diet. They just didn’t understand. And I did not relay the information correctly. I mean, it’s my fault. I didn’t educate them. And you know, I could try and teach you and give you all kinds of information, but that isn’t motivating. It may educate you. You may understand the science and believe the science, but if you’re not emotionally attached to that information, you won’t self-motivate and you won’t do anything about it. But if you are in a situation where you’re potentially losing teeth because of an infection, or you had a heart attack, but you survived. Al (42m 41s): And now you know that maybe you need to change your lifestyle to continue to live so you can see your grandkids grow up, or, you know, other reasons that are emotionally stimulating, then you may make a change. But for a patient to come in to me in those days when they have gum disease, and I’m telling that, yeah, let’s treat it and take care of your mouth the way that’s not really the cause you need to change this habit and that habit. And we need to build up your gut microbiome. They’re not motivated to do that. They’re not ready for that information. So Brad (43m 16s): The emotions are the getting that emotional response behind the decision is the key. Mark Manson says the same thing very nicely. And Al (43m 24s): Really, I think that that’s critical. I think that’s critical. If you’re not, that’s your why, if you don’t have on good enough emotional life, then you’re not going to make a change. I had a big emotional why when I had a stroke, why did I have a stroke? I sought out reasons. I never sought out a healthy diet until then, because I didn’t know. I wasn’t that I was not healthy. And then with cancer, I sought out even more information to heal my body because it’s a life death situation right now. And I’m winning very successfully. Yeah. Brad (44m 3s): Yes. A life or death is what it takes to slap us in the face and wake us up. And in many cases or most cases, Al (44m 11s): Here’s an interesting story. And this is a personal experience. Years ago, maybe 30 plus years ago when I was a periodontist and working with a periodontal group. I remember a patient who came to the office and he had a lung removed because of lung cancer. That’s almost a life and death thing. Lung removed because of lung cancer of smoking, but he still smoked. It was a smoke for one lung. He knew he lost the lung because of smoking that he was a smoker. So although this is life and death, it was not emotionally tied to him. Al (44m 52s): He rejected it. He was not a believer. We have a lot of miss disbelievers in the United States today. Portion of reasons, I guess. And so you’re not a believer until it hits you emotionally, not medically last a long, he was ready to die, but he had one lung so he could continue to smoke. It’s crazy. Brad (45m 16s): That’s a tough one. Right? And I think, you know, I, I’ve learned that I saved my breath until someone is in that position, ready to receive the information and the guidance. Otherwise, like you said, you can dispense information all day long and it’s going to just float, float. Right, Al (45m 36s): Right. In and out. But those two to 3% of patients that really embrace what I was saying when full in a hundred percent, and they saw the results, they were emotionally tied to an outcome. I may not have known what motivated them emotionally, but my information triggered a, a turning point in their mindset and they became self-motivated and the results were quite impressive. Brad (46m 10s): So I guess that’s your story too, that you’re, you’ve, you’ve been in this healthcare scene and then you get exposed to this new information that really starts to click for you. And that’s all you need to, to get the grocery bags out and head to the food bank and make it complete. Al (46m 25s): That’s a kind of, yeah. Some people only need information. And I really, I think that that’s the kind of person I am, but I am a very, very small percentage. Let me tell you something interesting. Talking about dental plaque and oral health, this will blow you away. I think dental plaque is healthy until it’s not, you do not want to remove healthy dental plaque. It is a health biofilm in the mouth. Let me give you an idea why I say that the tooth is a very unique structure. It’s a hard structure that pierce epithelium tissue, you know, the skin of the gum around your, your jaw. Al (47m 11s): It literally goes the sterile jawbone and it’s lodged in the jawbone. There is no other area in the body where a hard natural substance, biological substance pierces the tissue and embeds itself into sterile tissue. If there were no protective covering in that very susceptible area where the tooth pierces, the gum bacteria can literally slide down like a sliding board, get it sterile bone. and infect the jawbone instantaneously, and we would all lose our jaws and eventually die. Al (47m 51s): Our species would have ended a long time ago. So the biofilm of dental plaque is one of the first methods to protect itself. There are many other methods under the gum. So the biofilm is not the element, but it’s the first element that bacteria meets in that area where the tooth meets the gum. So back the mouth it’s made up of maybe potentially 700 species of bacteria. Dental plaque, maybe two or 300 bacteria that form that biofilm and that biofilm does three very important things is actually the, the, the, the garden, the bacteria make a variety of per side, create its own side that literally kills other potential pathogenic bacteria that’s in the mouth. Al (48m 41s): then once they get into this very fragile area where the tooth needs the gum. It also has chemical buffers entailed an acid level of a 5.5 or greater meaning it doesn’t get any more acid than 5.5. So that’s a two to three dozen demineralize it’s two, three dozen decay. And then it’s also the gatekeeper where it allows roles flowing in from the saliva into the surface of the root to remineralize the 24 hours a day, seven days a week as needed. So it’s a very protective covering and that covering is supposed to be there. And I know that we know that science knows that because we can look at jawbones from edour primal answers, maybe 10,000 ,to 20,000 years old. Al (49m 31s): And we can see the jawbone of these humans that are, is relatively. We can see the teeth that are relatively decay, and we can see calculus, tartar, mineralized substances between the tooth and the, and, and the bone, which is actually soft plaque that has calcified, but there’s no disease in the tooth, no disease in the bone, but this is all natural. This is the way it was supposed to be. Now 99% of the population I would say is not healthy. As a matter of fact, there was a study that was also done, maybe 2006 or five or whatever that was recorded in one medical journal owed at the U S population or 94% of the us population has some form of Gingervitis inflammation, bleeding of the gums, not excessive, just one area that’s infection. Al (50m 30s): How does that happen? Our primal ancestors didn’t have that. How does that happen? Well, it really has, unless you have <inaudible> genic dentistry, meaning poorly done dentistry where fillings are broken or poorly put in fillings that are irritating, the gum or things that are happening in that regard, that infection in the mouth is a sign of a compromised immune system. And a compromised immune system is a result of a dysbiotic gut. You have an imbalance of bacteria in the gut, an overabundance of pathogenic species that’s changing the gut lining and it leaks into the bloodstream creates infection, inflammation. Al (51m 17s): It also changes the immune system to the point where it’s constantly activated. And if it’s constantly activated it, can’t do everything. So it’s, it’s, its resources are the try to get rid of this chronic inflammation. When you have another acute inflammation or infection start it’s, it’s compromised in its ability to fight that. And that compromised immune system changes the, the, the garden of bacteria in the mouth, and potentially pathogenic bacteria start to overgrow. And then when we eat the foods that support the bad bacteria, like the refined carbohydrates, the sugars and eat foods that have phytates in it that suck out the minerals and we use anti-microbial toothpastes and whatever that kill good bacteria, as well as some bad bacteria, everything starts restring starts to break down. Al (52m 15s): We need to have a healthy gut, so need you to have the map. And we own, if we only concentrate on a healthy, healthy mouth and the gut bacteria that it has initiated, the problem will continue to initiate other problems in other organ systems, as well as the mouth Brad (52m 36s): Very well said. Wow. And it seems like gut health is the emerging centerpiece of preventative medicine and, and health. And I think that was a really good description of why that’s so important and how that can manifest in the mouth. And boy, if we’re not paying attention yet, this is one place to really focus on, is that, is that gut health and nourishing it. So I think with that, we should jump into your, your, your list of tips that you’re, you’re doing your protocols. The gut health comes in at number, number two on your list, but I guess starting out, you should talk about your, your Better Belly Blueprint diet. Brad (53m 19s): And we’ll just, we’ll just hit these hard and with great takeaways for the person wanting to turn health around, protect themselves against disease, even battle disease in your case. Al (53m 31s): Absolutely. So I was eating a paleo diet when I was diagnosed with cancer. I changed my paleo diets, paleo autoimmune diet with all the research I was reading. And I continue with that until January 1st, 2020. And then I started to learn about an animal-based diet. The carnivore diet kind of turned me off. It didn’t make sense to me cause I didn’t really do very much research about it at that. But once I started to dive into the research and certainly Paul Saladino’s book, the carnivores, which is so well-researched and also a clinic in Budapest, Hungary called the Paleo Medicine Clinic, who actually has been treating patients, humans, not rats or mice is now humans since 2010 or 11. Al (54m 24s): They’ve treated over 5,000 patients that have serious chronic disease and curable and incurable cancers with a strict animal-based diet with no supplements, no pharmaceutical drugs. And they are reporting in medical literature, case studies of their patients resolving their chronic and, and cancerous issues. I was compelled. And after doing a deep dive into those areas, I changed my diet January 1st of 2020, like I mentioned to a strict carnivore diet. Al (55m 4s): And I wrote a book, you know, a mini series book, which is only like 30 pages long that My Better Belly Blueprint, which is basically my take on the carnivore diet with a few other things that are incorporated. That is what I do. Now, the interesting thing is with the research from the Paleo Medicine Clinic, primary plate and eating or diet with a, that the, the medical results are quite fascinating. Tissues heal. And not only do tissues heal, this type of diet actually encourages an extreme ability to absorb nutrients that body requires. Al (55m 51s): So this is my diet and this is what I’ve been doing. Brad (55m 56s): Yeah, I’ve the, the listeners know that I’m, I’m fascinated by the carnivore rationale as well, specifically the, the increased nutrient density when your plate is filled with animal foods and not taking up some of those calories with the less nutrient dense foods, including a lot of the plants that we’ve been told should be the centerpiece of our plate. But then the, the potential sensitivity and reactivity to all these natural toxins contained in plants. I don’t think I’m one of those people that’s severely reactive, but like Saladino says really well. Brad (56m 37s): You know, if, if you’re kicking ass right now and you want to kick more ass, maybe this is something to look at that you don’t even realize what your, you know, what your baseline potential is because you’ve been stuffing this stuff down your throat, your entire life, thinking that the kale salad and the, the green smoothie is the centerpiece of healthy living. And we’ve been programmed so successfully by marketing forces to think that, you know, the more colorful your plate is, and the more this, this produce, you can shove down your throat, the healthier you’re going to be. Al (57m 11s): That’s true. And part of the problem is things are cumulative. So you could be putting irritants in your body that don’t give you or manifests in a dizzy month, one year, maybe even five, 10 years. It may take even longer to do that. It’s like if you had a splinter in your finger, let’s say, and you were the healthiest guy in the world. That area where the splinter is stuck in your finger is infected inflamed. And it’s affecting your immune system smart enough to remove the splinter, the skin heals. But if you were not smart enough beyond that, and you took the splinter for some stupid reason, and you kept sticking it in the previous puncture wound once a week. Al (57m 52s): And if you put things in your gut that are irritants, that our DNA blueprint never designed enzymes to deal with, and you’re constantly irritating this area of your body. You’re like sticking a splinter in your finger each time. Beautiful thing about the gut is that the epithelial barrier of the gut heals itself regenerates every five days. You know, if you were a terrible eater today and you were the perfect eater tomorrow and no other irritants that were, that, that are in your environment or put into your gut, that epithelial aligning is new. Al (58m 33s): Every five to seven days, you can really recover if you keep irritating it once a week. Cause you’re going to do a little cheating because you were so good for seven days, all of that goes down. Then you start the whole process over again. So the problem is we rid of the stuff that is accumulating and, and you’re right, irritants, you just don’t know how good you could be if you didn’t stop taking them. Brad (59m 4s): So you’re, you’re on this carnivore style diet and mentioning that once a week, you’re putting deliberately finding some carbohydrates to put in there to maintain metabolic flexibility, Al (59m 20s): Right? So my, my, my I go into ketosis. I know I’m in ketosis using a ketone breath meter. And, and I know that my million moles per liter are in, in the area where of ketones, where I’m in a healthy state of ketosis. And then maybe the seventh day of the week, I will cycle out of ketosis, eating a bunch of healthy carbs. I’ll eat raw, honey. You know, one tablespoon of raw honey is 17 grams, two or three grams. I mean, two or three tablespoons of Hawkeye, whatever those fruits, Brad (59m 58s): The thing is totally choking now. So I think pick it up when you said you’re talking about the honey. Al (1h 0m 6s): Okay. So the, so the honey actually is a healthy carb. One tablespoon of honey actually equals 17 grams of carbs. So 70 grams of carbs will not throw you out of ketosis. If that’s the only carbs you’re eating, but you can have two or three tablespoons of honey on that seventh day. When you cycle out of ketosis, maybe an apple, maybe a mango, some other fruit, these are healthy carbs. These are carbs that actually will take you into a carb burning mode, exercise your metabolism, so to speak, raise your insulin level, do everything that it’s supposed to do. Al (1h 0m 47s): And then the next day I go back into ketosis fat burner. There’s no carb cravings. I know I’m Keaton ketosis because I can check my, my breath ketone meter and I’ll do that for another six, seven days and then cycle out. I don’t cycle out every seven day, but on the average, every seventh day, I cycle out of ketosis into carbs. Brad (1h 1m 11s): Nice. And then you’re mentioning some pretty exotic supplements. We’ll put these in the show notes where you’re focusing on maintaining that healthy gut lining as well as working on your bone health. Al (1h 1m 26s): Yes. All of these things are absolutely critical. So we’ve diet is critical. Your gut microbiome is critical. So you have to re replace re re regrow bacteria. If, if you’re lacking in it, what you really want to do is develop what’s called alpha diversity. Alpha diversity is a diversity of, or a number of species of microbes, bacteria, and numbers of individual species that are in large numbers. The research has shown that the primal societies today that are healthy, have a very high alpha diversity, meaning they have many, many, many different species of bacteria and each of the species has many of them. Al (1h 2m 16s): And what happens is when you have that many, it crowds out the potentially pathogenic bacteria, and it helps the immune system to function more at 38 trillion human cells. So these 38 trillion microbes communicate with a about a hundred thousand or so immune cells that tell the immune system, here’s a problem. There’s a problem. Get your adaptive and innate systems re ready to defend the body. So all of that is in conjunction with health and to do that, you need this alpha diversity, and there are ways to test your alpha diversity Brad (1h 3m 2s): And your restrictive diet is not at all harming this goal, which some people, you know, are under the, under the assumption that the more and more plants we can find, we’re going to have more gut diversity. Al (1h 3m 16s): Let me tell you an interesting paper that was published two or three years ago. I don’t remember the, the author of the paper, but it showed that the gut microbiome is very adaptive. We all know that. If you were on a plant-based diet, the species are such a, it can be recorded. But if you switched to an a hundred percent, an animal-based diet, the species change in the gut within 24 hours. And then if you go back to a plant-based diet, those species, again, change to a different type of environment ecosystem within 24 hours. Al (1h 3m 58s): So did the microbiome in the gut is very adaptable. The other thing is that when fiber is available, the gut microbiome ferments it for a short chain, fatty acids, and a host of other things. However, when the fiber is not available and the amino acids are available, the microbiome in the gut literally ferment the amino acids into the short chain fatty acids eventually. So you do not need fiber from plants to have a healthy gut microbiome, and you don’t need fiber motility in the gut to have healthy bowel movements, because a lot of the motility in the gut is related to the mass cells that are within the system’s epithelial barrier that are communicating back and forth. Al (1h 4m 51s): So everything I know and I’ve read and personally experienced is that an animal-based diet is not only ideal for the human species, but it feeds our microbiome impressively. But an animal-based diet gives you a different microbiome than a plant-based diet, but that’s okay. Right? Brad (1h 5m 19s): Our, colleague at Primal, Brian McAndrew, who does all the audio and the video, he, he came up with the insight that, you know, you have a rain forest, that’s teaming with thousands of different plant species, and it’s a very healthy ecosystem. But if you go out into the desert, it’s just as healthy of an ecosystem, even though it looks dry and barren, you know, there’s, there’s all kinds of life foreseeing and perfect harmony with each other, and you can’t necessarily judge a rainforest to be superior to a desert. And so if you’re eating a, you know, a restrictive diet with the, with the best nutrition and the least offensive agents in there, you’re, you’re probably a thriving, like a desert. Al (1h 5m 60s): Exactly. And both environments, both ecosystems are thriving in their own way. Brad (1h 6m 5s): Yeah. Al (1h 6m 5s): Correct. That’s great. A great analogy. Brad (1h 6m 8s): Tell us about this mitochondria treatment with the pulse electromagnetic field therapy. Al (1h 6m 14s): Sure. So cancer and all chronic disease, all chronic diseases, a disease of dysfunctional mitochondria cancer here is not only dysfunctional mitochondria, it’s dysfunctional metabolism and a dysfunctional immune system. But the mitochondria are a neat, a unique organelle in ourselves. Basically they are the batteries of ourselves. So you, you know, if you have a flashlight and you want the light to glow, you not only need to turn on the button to the flashlight, you have to have batteries in the flashlight. But if you have batteries in the flashlight and you turn the button on, the light is beaming slowly weaken, and eventually go out because the batteries are getting used up and they die. Al (1h 6m 60s): So the mitochondria of ourselves, except for red cells, red blood cells, the mitochondria are the batteries of the cells. And cells have some as little as 200 to 300 mitochondria per cell. And some that are very active, like the heart had maybe three, four, 5,000 mitochondria per cell. So these mitochondria are critical, but if these mitochondria become dysfunctional for a variety of reasons, meaning they’re not functioning the way they are supposed to, the cell can’t do what it is supposed to. And cancer cells are related to this dysfunction of the mitochondria that create lots of free radicals that damages the ability to, for the cell to function. Al (1h 7m 50s): And it also damages the ability for the cell to kill itself off when it’s not functioning properly. And those malignant cells that won’t kill themselves off, your immune system doesn’t recognize it, but the mitochondria are not up to par to make the cell work properly, will duplicate and spread, but they’re nonfunctional. And that’s what a malignancy all about. So if there is a method to improve the health of the mitochondria, as well as the cell membrane and the ions that get transported in and out of the cell like sodium and potassium and calcium and whatever, if we can improve that, we can just help the health of individual cells. Al (1h 8m 39s): And there are some technologies that do that. Now intermittent fasting and regular fasting will improve the mitochondria. High intensity interval training has been shown to improve the mitochondria. Being in ketosis improves the mitochondria. But there are therapies called pulse electromagnetic field therapies that generate a frequency that literally speaks to the cell. These are very low frequency waves in a harmonic pattern that are similar to the cells frequencies. Cells communicate not only by chemical cytokine reactions. Al (1h 9m 23s): They also communicate by frequency. They talk and they can explain things back and forth. And when a cell is dysfunctional and it’s, and it’s signaling or frequencies are out of sync, they can kind of be tricked back into a healthy sync by utilizing pulse electromagnetic field therapy. So also electromagnetic field therapy basically is for me a mat, almost like a yoga mat that I put under my bed covers. And it’s generating a whole series of harmonic wave patterns that are low frequency, but that are similar to frequencies of different cells in my body. Al (1h 10m 4s): And by doing a protocol of this type of creation of frequencies. And I lay on this mat, the potential for these frequencies to stimulate the, my cell membranes cell oxygenation in improving the ion transport in and out of the cell can only enhance myself. And that’s again, enhancing my immune system. Now, there are are many papers in medical literature that shows pulse electromagnetic field therapy, aiding soft tissue healing, surgical surgery, surgical soft tissue, broken bones. Al (1h 10m 46s): Even with osteoporosis, the, the scientists at NASA use a type of pulse electromagnetic field therapy for astronauts to prevent osteoporosis. Since I learned that weightlessness will create osteoporosis, pulse electromagnetic field therapy can actually prevent osteoporosis fibrosis or improve the condition of osteoporosis. So it’s a very interesting technology. And there’s many, many articles that if you were to research pub med, you’ll find all over the world about pulse electromagnetic field therapy. Brad (1h 11m 17s): Nice. And in this contrast with the harmful electromagnetic radiation that we learn about from the cell phones and the wifi routers. So this is kind of coming at it from the, the proper direction and helping your cell rather than, you know, harming them with the artificial radiation. Al (1h 11m 41s): Yeah. The artificial radiation, even if it’s low frequency has a lot of voltage spikes. And here’s something interesting with PEMF or pulse electromagnetic field therapy. It actually neutralizes the damage to the cell from the generalized pulse electromagnetic field damaging puzzle electromagnetic fields that we’re, that we’re exposed to all the time. So it we’re not in any unhealthy condition for this, for the most part. But if you were to use a pulse electromagnetic field therapy mat, once a day or twice a day with certain frequencies, you could literally offset the damage yourselves received that day from the dirty electromagnetic fields that you experiencing by using the internet right now, or a host of other reasons why you’re exposed to dirty electromagnetic fields. Al (1h 12m 40s): You don’t have to, in my opinion, you don’t have to go out and get crazy by insulating your house and insulating and filtering all the electrical wiring in your house and doing quite a number of things that may make your house a little more environmentally healthy. But as soon as you walk outside, you’re still exposed if you are exposed. But you use PEMF therapy on a daily basis, you’re neutralizing the damage that’s being created. That’s pretty an interesting for me, that’s a pretty interesting concept. . Brad (1h 13m 11s): Yeah I’m excited about the, the next item on your list. You’re a big fan of animal organ supplements. So we know that the organs are the most nutrient dense foods and vastly superior nutrition to the things we emphasize, the, the muscle meats, that what we’re mostly eating when we’re talking about animals. So the listeners know about my MOFO product with ancestral supplements, it’s designed to optimize testosterone. And it sounds like you’re, you’re big on that, especially with the, the bone marrow for your particular condition. Al (1h 13m 44s): Yes. I obviously a carnivore diet is not a meat, a muscle meat diet. It is muscle meat, but organs, saturated fat, and collagenous material. You have to balance the collagen proteins with muscle meat, protein that has, you know, where it’s not a healthy diet. If you only eat steak all the time, that’s not a healthy diet, but I’m not. Although I do eat organs, I don’t eat every organ every day. I don’t have access to it and whatever, but I do take desiccated organs, and I don’t consider the supplements. I just considered it a different form of food because the desiccated, organs have everything that organs have. Al (1h 14m 29s): And if you look at the ingredients and the capsules, there’s nothing added like junk or inner ingredients other than the capsule. And generally I actually take the powder out of the capsule and sprinkle it on my other food. But that is, I think, enormous minerals and nutrients that are in a healthy animals into your system. That those are critical. So yes, I’m a big believer in those desiccated organs. Brad (1h 14m 57s): Wow. Dr. Al there’s, there’s so much here and I want to point the listeners to your materials on your website and see how they can connect with you further. You talked about your modified exercise regimen to make sure that you don’t do any damage, but that you keep active and even stimulate some of that anaerobic activity. I like the last takeaway on your list, which is reducing general life stress and meditating, working on your breathing muscle, body, relaxation, things like that. So it seems like you got to a total all around a program here to give you plenty of health in the years ahead, after this, this ordeal that I congratulate you for, you know, staying positive and, and battling through it. Brad (1h 15m 44s): And then, and then talking to us about it, I really appreciate your time sharing the story. Al (1h 15m 49s): Well, first of all, I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to share, because I think this information needs to be out there. I think people that have a life-threatening condition, it could be life threatening. It could be just serious chronic disease, or maybe a member of the family is suffering with those types of things, anybody, and everybody needs to know their options. And they need to know that you can do some research to find those options. And a lot of those options that may not be accepted yet by conventional medicine are very well-documented. I’m not into crazy stuff. I, I’m only interested in the things that have been not only reported, but duplicated by other researchers. Al (1h 16m 36s): It’s just one guy tells me that this system that he created is that the end all to cancer, and no one else has been able to show it or experiment with it. I’m not interested. I’m only interested in the potentials. And if they make sense to me, I’ll try them. And I think other people that are in different states of health, especially if they’re critically involved with life, death situations need to look at those and need to go with their conventional medical doctor and present some of those ideas. If your medical doctor doesn’t want to hear from you, fire him and find somebody else. There are integrative oncologists that are willing to be having an open mind. Al (1h 17m 19s): They, that they don’t necessarily have to subscribe to what you’ve done and eliminate all other treatment. You need to integrate good alternative healing modalities with good well-documented conventional medicine. And although chemotherapy was not my answer, there are some immunotherapies that I actually take care of, except that do not destroy tissue. They only help my immune system, Brad (1h 17m 48s): Dr. Al Dannenberg closing with a flourish. What a, what a great, a great summary. Let’s get out there and honor these recommendations people. And how do we find you connect with you? Al (1h 18m 1s): I’m easily available on the internet, Dr. dannenberg.com. That’s D R D AN E N B E R G.com. They’re in the navigation bar. There’s a little contact button. If you wanted to send me an email, I read all my emails. I respond to all my emails personally, Brad (1h 18m 19s): Dr. Al Dannenberg. Thank you listeners for joining us with this great show. That’s a wrap.. 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